Mixed-race images common in advertising

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  1. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Quite a generalization. While I know some fundamentalist nutters like that, I can assure you that there is an exponentially larger number of Right Wing Christians who are not. And this is from a militant agnostic.
     
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  3. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    "Christian Identity" types are everywhere. Too many of them for the police in the EU, Canada and the UK to track them down and charge them with hate speech and authorities in the USA to charge them with hate crimes (unfortunately, the USA does not have hate speech laws yet)

    We need to beef up law enforcement if we want a truly tolerant society.
     
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    I think you're mistaken here, as this is the most acceptable of all interracial dating. Most people are hung up on skin colour, and Asians and whites generally have the same pale-to-medium tone while blacks are much more darker.

    The problems of interracial dating works both ways. In a black-white relationship, there will be plenty of white racists who don't want blacks dating their kind, but there will also be many blacks who accuse their own of "selling out". In the Taye Diggs case, the death threat sent to him is most likely from a black person, as it mentions the word "traitor" in it. I doubt a white racist would call Taye Diggs a traitor for marrying a white woman. I can think of many other things, but "traitor" is not one of them. And I often hear that Asian men are also marginalized in the marriage game, but this too is a two-way problem. Yes, there are racists out there, no doubt. But Asian culture also over-values sons over daughters, so much so that parents are much more willing to give a daughter to another race than a son. I know this from personal experience. Daughters can go wherever they please, but sons must carry the family honour and tradition, blah blah blah. It's a self-defeating cycle as this rigid tradition of male dominance also drives out Asian women into marrying other races.
     
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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    I am offended you using the term 'whinging at sci-forums'. i try and communicate from the heart. and i respect forums. people read them, and if what i say clicks with just ONE person that's good.
    And i am also doing what i can to fuck-up the schooling system. but your lack of charm ASKING-the way you have- me doesn't really encourage any more elaboration
     
  8. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I said this:
    " Most Americans will tell you that somewhere between 10% and 20% of their tax dollar goes in some form of foreign aid. It's common knowledge. The actual figure is less than 1%."

    You said this in reply:
    "which goes to show surely--proving my point--what a mean lying mFker the State is...?"
    I agree that this confirms the meaness of this particular state (the US). I utterly fail to see how it demonstrates that they are liars. [I'll take it that your reference to the putative, incestuous sexual habits of said State are a way of saying you don't like them.]

    I said
    "That doesn't alter the fact that I owe a debt of gratitude to those in my primary, secondary and tertiary educational establishments."
    You replied:
    "well quite frankly, i cant see it, being as i am not exactly empathic with your views about how great the State is, and science"
    I didn't say you should owe a debt of gratitude because of my experiences. I was simply reaffirming that for me I found the educational system to have been extremely valuable. Could it have been better? Of course it could. We should seek excellence, not just good or very good.
    Secondly, where in any of my posts, on any thread, do I tout the wonders of the state? The strength of the educational system that I perceive lies largely with the quality and the commitment of the teachers. The government, of any persuasion, has generally done round about the minimum that might be expected.
    I maintain my positive view of science since, for example, it keeps me alive; it allows me to argue with a homosexual, tree hugging, mixed race personality from Manchester; it provides beautiful photographs of Titan.

    You said:
    "I am offended you using the term 'whinging at sci-forums'. i try and communicate from the heart. and i respect forums. people read them, and if what i say clicks with just ONE person that's good."
    Well, I'm sorry you don't like my characterisation of what you spend a lot of your time doing as 'whinging'. It comes across that way: long, rambling, emotion packed tirades and diatribes against this evil and that evil, against the patriarchy, and science and the State.
    Duendy, you think you are communicating from the heart. To many readers you come across as an indivdual who blames the rest of society for where you find yourself. I recognise that you will probably avoid any of my advice just on principle, but I shall give it anyway. (That's the kind of right wing, straight laced, materialistic bastard I am.) Tone down the visible emotion in your posts and you may be listened to by more than one person. If your ideas are that important to you shouldn't you be doing whatever it takes to get them listened to.
    By the way, I have chosen not to be offended by your inference that whereas you do speak from the heart I do not.

    Edit: Did I read you correctly? You are "doing what you can to fuck up the school system". Tell me that was a typo and not a description, alebit brief, of your guerilla attempts to cause its downfall and hence bring about a revolution in education.
     
  9. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    dont agree with violence or else i would quite HAPPILY do a Columbine nomber. but it dont work. all i can do as an individual is speak out. that is better than nowt
     
  10. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Pay attention to the adverbs. You never see attractive Asian women with Caucasian men.
    And why would you? It's generally either the ugliest members of a race that reproduce outside it. Presumably because their own race doesn't want them.

    None of this applies to me

    East Asians, but not those from the South Pacific or India. That's like saying that generally, Caucasians are blonde.

    Who is Taye Diggs?
    Those of my acquaintance would. I don't think the average racist would, but a lot of the Nordicist/Asatru/Volk Germania types will say something like that.

    Well there is that. I suppose if your culture teaches you that you are trash, you will not respect your racial traditions that much.
    But saying that Asian women marry out to escape disrespectful, dominent Asian men does not square with my experience of Asian men.
    If you claim that they are escaping the culture, well I daresay heavily Christian White culture is just as "patriarchial" and misogynist.

    duendy:
    Your abuse of the English language may go a long way towards illustrating the flaws of public schooling.
    Or it may simply show how stupid you are.

    No dark sarcasm intended.
     
  11. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    d))))i like to mix up florid poetical delightful language with anglo-saxon straight to the point lingo. as you may learn, i am not a big fan of schools and pretentious manners. some of the most well mannered, 'educated', and well-spoken people are also the most viscious warmongering, racists, misoyynist bastards alive
     
  12. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    God is a bastard
     
  13. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Huh? Where in fuck do you get this from?
    Oh I get it. No. It's tounge in cheek and makes no sense without context. I was going to add that this does not apply in the special case of me flirting with the cute Filipino I should be supervising, but I forgot.
    I shouldn't post from work when I've got a hangover trying to come on.

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    My picture? Find wank material on your own. It's the internet.

    There is a difference between being intransigent and being undisciplined.
    Your language is not florid poetical delightful, it hurts my brain.
    Please punctuate.

    Like Bush and company?

    Anyways....

    Public schools are geared towards the production of morons; towards making socialization - which is a more necessary tool to modern culture than the attainment of skills such as reading and writing - universally effective, and towards codifying an attitude towards authority.

    Your claim that they are teaching racism and xenophobia is ludicrious. The function of public schools is to teach tolerence, and over-tolerence if need be. The socius functions that much more efficiently when we are such.

    Now of course xenophobia and sexism benefit the socius too. So those who thump their chests saying how rebellious they are because they flirt with ideas of innate hierarchy of race or gender are oversocial fools like the rest.

    "The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals of today's leftists are NOT in conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of its middle and upper classes 4 for a long time. These values are explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of truth) that society is not living up to these principles."
    -Theodore Kaczynski
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Sociologists say that the greatest rate of "outmarriage" (they have words for everything and among themselves they use the even more technical term "hypergamy") is among Latinos. Something like 90 percent of the grandchildren of Latino immigrants are in mixed marriages, and around a third of the immigrant generation themselves. (This data is fifteen years old and dimly remembered, I'm sure the rate is even higher today.) Living in California I can vouch for that by personal observation.

    The figures for the Asian community were more like 40 percent for the grandchildren and ten percent for the first generation, although both common sense and my observations tell me that rate is also higher today.

    You may quibble over whether Latinos are a "race," but I say that the definition hinges on whether the members of the group suffer from "racism," and Latinos surely do. Latinos are at the point in their assimilation into American society as Italians were a hundred years ago, the Irish fifty years before that.

    Being of similar colored skin is not enough to be considered "one of us."
     
  15. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    he's long time dead. what do YOU hink. it is so easy to lump all dissent in to 'Leftism' are the Native Americans left wing?
    please dont assume me left or right wing. i am me when i speak, i am trying to comminicate what i see is wrong
     
  16. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    duendy:
    Bad punctuation, sir, bad punctuation is different from swearing. Respect the mechanics.

    Observation.

    No, he's alive.
    Anyways the point is valid. I have no problem quoting someone when they've made a good and valid point.

    Understood.
    I'm not a leftist nor a rightist. I seek a radical-traditional third way but I'm not a fascist either.
     
  17. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    You should have Googled Christian Identity. They are quite distinct from your garden variety fundy. Eric Rudolph was evidently at least partly inspired by them.

    Eric Robert Rudolph, the nation's most wanted domestic terrorist, was captured on May 31, 2003 in Murphy, North Carolina, after being a fugitive from justice for nearly five years. He is charged with committing four terrorist bombings from 1996 to 1998, including the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta in 1996, which killed two people and injured more than one hundred people.

    Rudolph has had connections since childhood to a number of anti-Semitic, racist and anti-government movements or groups, especially Christian Identity, a virulently anti-Semitic "religious" sect that preaches that Jews are descended from Satan and that God made non-whites inferior to whites, who were made, "in his image." Identity believers are also fiercely opposed to race-mixing, abortion and homosexuality. While Rudolph frequently espoused these views, he never officially joined the ranks of the hate groups he followed, and is believed to have acted alone in the bombings he is accused of committing.

    http://www.adl.org/extremism/rudolph_backgrounder.asp

    Muhlenberg was probably sad when they caught him. Screw Rudolph, and anyone who agrees with his dangerous nonsense.
     
  18. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    Are you thinking me a fascist?
     
  19. Big D Registered Senior Member

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    In ALL the advertisements I see, blacks are ALWAYS making the white folks look stupid or not "hip", that is the only way that these "interacial" advertisments will work without being "racist". Many of the comments or images during a "interacial" moment on T.V often make fun of whites for just being white or "acting white".
    Can ANYONE give ANY type of advertisement where a black is the butt of a joke in a AD campaign? I remember when Toyota had a black guy with a gold tooth. Toyota was almost put out of bussiness over that.

    I guess whites are trying to show blacks that by making fun of white skin color, that it does not matter to whites so it should not matter to them.

    It is amazing the many different ways whites have and still are and will always be, trying to civilize are unevolved African brother and sister.
     
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  20. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    If I valued your opinion I would be offended.
     
  21. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    duendy;
    Learn to quote properly, or give quoting a miss from now on.
    I mean you're embarrassing yourself. Get it together.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    Hmmm, they tried so many different ways that they nearly wiped out half the natives by bringing in diseases and alcohol to give to the so called 'unevolved African brother and sister'. So who are you calling unevolved? The black man who could live and survive in a place that would send the white man screaming for shade, water and his mummy or the white man who arrived on a big boat and carried with and on him disease causing organisms who was sooo evolved he'd discovered the joys of syphilis and herpes and who could not survive one day in the wild. Lets just think about that shall we?

    The black unevolved individual adapted to his environment and thrived, keeping the environment well balanced all while living on the land.. keeping everything in a balance that the developed world is still trying to do even today. The white evolved individual had to cope with famines, plagues and other diseases while living in his evolved country and was constantly on the lookout for more land since their home land was being over-run because of over breeding and lack of room to live and they also managed to trash their own environment.

    And the evolved white man goes into land that had been populated by the unevolved black man and what happens? The disease and pestilence spreads, wiping out the natives like no war ever could. Their land is then plundered and their environment left in tatters. They force the unevolved black individuals to become more like Europeans and they're still trying to recover from it. In the meantime, white religion such as Christianity devastates their culture even more. Ahh yes, so evolved they ruin other civilisations. Sadly, it wasn't just Africa that suffered such fates. South America and Asia also suffered the same fate at the hands of the so called more evolved. If that's how you treat your brothers and sisters, one would hope you're an only child. If not, I'm sure you will be soon enough.

    So many things that could be said right about now. But all I will say is now I understand...

    And now onto this thread....

    All racial groups are racist. Whites don't like to see their members marrying and having children with non-whites, and the same applies to Blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc. Listen to black women out there and you'll hear them complaining that their race is being watered down because their men are marrying white women. Amazing how the racism goes both ways but one will always blame the other what they are guilty of themselves. All sides wish to keep their bloodlines pure. I'm of mixed heritage. Fortunately for me, so are my parents. My grandparents however were not all of mixed parentage. And it's not easy. It wasn't easy for my Grandparents who were shunned by most of their families for marrying outside of their racial circle and it wasn't easy for my parents who were also shunned for being inbetween. I escaped because the mixed parentage appears to be a tad watered down, but I'm not white and I'm not dark either. I live in the realm of in-between that's called olive skin. I still copped the racist comments as a child and while it used to bother me as a child, now I just laugh it off, though most pick me for a European now anyway. Go figure. But racism exists in all groups, even mixed groups where one is pressured to marry or be friends with people who are either the same colour as you or lighter... never darker. My own grandmother, who was a French woman and who'd married a creole of French and Africa ancestry always told us to never marry someone darker than ourselves. I never understood that as a child. But then the country I was born in was like a minature version of South Africa during it's Apartheid regime, so I shouldn't be shocked.

    Mixed raced people are becoming more common in advertising because they are becoming more common in society. People are breaking away from the 'keep to your own kind' type of mentality. And mixed races, especially white and black mixes always look slightly different because they look so tanned and the curly hair looks permed. But look closely and the mixed individual in the add or tv show will usually always have light coloured eyes and most probably slightly bleached hair. It's not only because it supposedly looks better but it points to the fact that the individual has more white genes than black genes.
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Good post Bells. A joy to read.
     
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