Misogyny, Guns, Rape and Culture..

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Bells, Jun 2, 2014.

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  1. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    It is, in fact, the entire problem.
    The age of consent is an attempt to quantify and codify human development, and also an attempt to legislate to morality.
    As such, it is never going to work, and it is often going to lead to innocent prosecutions and ruined lives. You have those like Tiassa up there, moralising and thundering on about morality and the destruction of young lives through sex.
    The Original Victorian Sin cloaked in modern "psychology".

    And now, of course, its gone so far we have 14 year old boys standing up in court telling how their lives are ruined because some schoolteacher had sex with them outside class.
    Really.
    Really.
    Who the fuck ever heard of a young boy being ruined by contact with an older woman when he was 14.

    Well, we all have now, haven't we. And if we haven't, by god, there are those who are going to make damned sure we're all completely aware of the damage done to those young malleable minds.
    The increased instance of prosecution of female teachers having sexual relations with young boys isn't an indicator that it is becoming more prevalent, nor is it an indicator that the young boys in question are more willing to prosecute - its an indication that there are those who are licking their lips in anticipation of prosecuting them.
    I wonder if those like Tiassa see any difference in the manipulation of a young mind into having sex in the first place, and the manipulation of that same young mind into feeling violated.

    Kids would have been fine 50 years ago. Might have told, might not have, but wouldn't have ever grown up feeling violated in any way.
    Now, of course, the kid's scarred for life and needs therapy. Why? Because we're convincing him he does.
     
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  3. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Bells, don't be so bloody simple.

    When, in your mind, did "Baby, it's Cold Outside" become rape?
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    What does a cheezy pickup line have to do with continued sexual advances upon a woman who has made it clear she doesn't want them...?
     
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  7. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    It's horrible. Please make it stop.
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    One of these things is not like the other...

    the key point being, continuing AFTER the request to stop has been given is where the problem lies.
     
  9. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it does.

    I, however, am speaking of something far more profound than you are.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Care to enlighten the rest of us?
     
  11. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    No, not really. Those I want to know, already do.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So it's an off-forum joke or an inside joke, neither of which are contributing to this thread?
     
  13. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    If only it were a joke.

    Like your sig, really.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I should have remembered to include "trolling" as an option in that... ah well, my bad; seems you really don't have anything of value to add.
     
  15. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, here we are back at the good old troll "argument".
    There's value, right there.

    Seems to me that someone should write a new internet rule.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *shrug* if the shoe fits, wear it. You chose to use an off hand response to a simple statement of fact, and when questioned about it you use another off the wall remark and refused to explain it, citing instead that those you deemed "worthy" already knew what it meant - pray tell, are those same people ones already participating in this thread?

    Funny, really, how quickly a discussion can be derailed by such incongruent attitudes
     
  17. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    "A statement of fact".
    I rather thought that was the problem.

    Perhaps you should look up the definition of "Trolling". An offhand response , in this case (and in most others of mine), is more the result of despair than any desire to evoke an emotional response.
    Still, if the thought of me struggling to fit my size 11 feet into your size 9 boot is for you entertaining, then by all means continue to imagine it.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So you claim that the idea that continued harassment of a woman after she had indicated she wants for it to stop is not somehow rape? What, is it not rape because the penis didn't make it to the vagina?

    Sure, by it's classical definition:

    Then you would be correct. However, unless I am mistaken, it also includes grievous sexual assault and is usually preceded by sexual harassment of some form.

    I ask again; what is the problem here, and what is it, exactly, that you disagree with?
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Back that far ago in my small hometown in KY kids was a bit less advanced sesually than now... an when i was "violated" at age 19 (for a year) by a woman who was 29 i was much closer to bein a 16 year old of today... an i turned out just fine... us (my curent an only wife who is 1 year younger than me) bein happly married for over 40 years now... but that sort of stuff dont suport the agenda of this thred so it is considered irrelevant... still a good pont you'r makin tho.!!!
     
  20. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    I'm taking issue with you taking issue with me taking issue with Bells taking issue with Limbaugh.

    Clear?
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    In other words, you believe Limbaugh was correct in his assessment? Because, to be honest, the fact that I think Limbaugh is dumber than a box of rocks not withstanding, I take issue with what he said - if "no" doesn't mean "no"... then what does?
     
  22. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    It's entirely relevant.
    These days, you'd end up in court being coached to say you're scarred emotionally, and will have difficulty forming meaningful relationships for the rest of your life. Of course, the fact that you've ended up in court being coached to say (and believe) such a thing will probably scar you for life.

    I'm moving the issue to the male in order to highlight the difference in attitudes, as well. In much the same way the courts are recently.
     
  23. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Overly simplistic to say I believe Limbaugh was "correct in his assessment". Do I think he had something to say on the issue?
    Yes, I do.

    That is why the song existed to begin with. But you'd prefer to legislate absolutely to the art of seduction.

    It's cold outside.
     
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