Military Events in Syria and Iraq Thread #4

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Yazata, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You trust many claims from particular sources, and none from others, based entirely on comparing their feeds as competing propaganda - without reference to physical reality.
    But that's not what you did, with those claims from those sources.
    Yes, in your usual slippery innuendo you suggested exactly that, in your claim that your ignorance had significance in the matter.

    The entire example of Hun Sen in your reasoning you posted as part of your explanation for why you consistently favor strongman authoritarian over other governance, and rightwing versions over leftwing, and fascistic rightwing over other rightwing.

    This came up from your backing of Assad in Syria, and Russian support for Assad over other.
     
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  3. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    YMMD. Assad as the example of a fascist right-wing strongman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba'ath_Party_–_Syria_Region
    These are the places where I conclude that your use of "fascism" is completely arbitrary.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not in my posting.
    Certainly not in that quote, and I don't think anywhere else either.
    The places where you invent my use of the term, some way I didn't use it. Yep. I've been noticing that from you, frequently.

    Btw: I may have been careless somewhere, not paying attention or muddled in the middle of something, and referred to Assad's government as fascist - if so I concede slipshod and embarrassing error, and will correct my post and apologize. But I don't recall ever doing that - and the subject has come up: the US, especially when under the influence of Republican administrations since Reagan, has a track record of backing fascism in strongman allies and opposing other kinds, especially left-leaning. That seems to have been a factor in the US hostility toward Qaddaffi and Saddam and Khomeini and Chavez, as well as Assad - and I disapprove.
     
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  7. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Assad's not a socialist. Taking care of your own tribe and ignoring the other 90% while allowing local and foreign corporate interests to dictate your agenda, all while running a market economy- that's fascism.

    The Nazis called themselves "socialists" too, guess by Schmelzer's standards that means they couldn't have been fascists. The Kremlin must be instructing its minions to have some real quality conversations these days...
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Schmelzer accepts something called "fascism from the left" or "leftwing fascism" - being socialist and fascist both is apparently possible in his universe.

    Here's a book he thought made a lot of good points: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
     
  9. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    If it doesn't involve capitalism exercised to the benefit of the society's elites, it ain't fascism. I agree with you that Schmelzer likes to play word games and incorrectly assign labels to certain ideals and movements so as to cast them in a negative light, while simultaneously refusing to correctly apply negative labels to the leaders, ideologies and ethnic nationalities he favours.

    All the same, I don't see why you'd concede on the idea that Assad isn't a fascist, even if you correctly label his foreign supporters as such. Syria under the Assad dynasty is a dictatorship with a market economy dominated by Alawite elites, it manufactures ultranationalist propaganda based on a fake national identity created by French colonists, and even the concept of "Arab socialism" draws close parallels to the Nazis' "national socialism", not to mention the sympathies their leaders expressed for Hitler during WW2. The Baath party is a fascist regime, and through his posts Schmelzer consistently advertises himself as a fascist Russian Orthodox white supremacist.
     
  10. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Near the Idlib/Aleppo/Hama border there is a lot of fighting. The Syrian army has reached a quite big breakthrough against Hatesh South-West of Khanasser:

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    The fighting between Hatesh and Daesh continues too, Hatesh has obviously taken some forces from other fronts to stop the Daesh offensive against them, and indeed seems to have stopped it. Possibly the breakdown of their defenses near Khanasser is connected with the corresponding weakening of Hatesh elsewhere.
    In the almost encircled region there are yet some Daesh fighters - even enough to try an attack against Al Sukhna. The attack was without success, but, nonetheless, it shows that there is yet something to do.

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  11. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Not much news during the last days. The Syrian army is making some advance from the North along the Euphrat toward Abukamal to close the encirclement:

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  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like the remaining parts West of the Euphrat valley have been taken now:

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