Military Events in Syria and Iraq thread #3

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Yazata, Apr 5, 2016.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I'm waiting to see what Comrade Schmeltzer thinks about this development. I'm guessing he's waiting for Comrade Putin's to tell him what to think.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    His significant participation in any manner - much less as an actual candidate - would ruin any semblance of "freedom" in any Syrian election. He's a strongman ruler with all the trappings, from alliances with such as Putin to torture prisons run by his secret police.
    A distinction you ignore when describing all targets of Russian and Syrian assault as "terrorists" - as you do.

    btw: Here's a take on Obama's handling of Syrian troubles that seems to agree with the physical facts at least, both at the time and in the years since: http://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com/2013/09/big-fat-sports-analogy.html (the specific stuff starts after the huddle with rear end #9)

    and an update from the changeover to your isolationist guy (the one that was not going to be violent and nasty like Clinton, remember?): http://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com/2017/04/jaccuse.html#more

    Whaddya think?
     
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  5. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    In other Syria military news, it appears that Tabqa city and the Tabqa dam have been surrounded. The SDF forces to the north have pushed southwards east of the dam, while the SDF forces (and their American advisors) at the Tabqa air base have pushed north, meeting along the Euphrates east of Tabqa.

    http://www.edmaps.com/Battle_for_Maskanah_AlThawrah_April_6_2017.png

    And in what increasingly appears to be the emergency fall-back Daesh capital of Mayadin, some 33 young men had their throats cut in the latest of ISIS' mass killings. I'm guessing that they were Syrian army captives captured in the recent fighting at Deir Ezzor.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it was sufficient. Assad's aircraft are housed in hardened hangers. So it would take multiple strikes to destroy the hardened facilities. I doubt the US would strike chemical weapons as the fallout could present a hazard to civilians. As much as we would want to destroy Assad's chemical weapons, bombing them could kill civilians. That's why they shouldn't be targeted, and why I would wager they were not targeted.

    Whether it should stop depends upon Assad's reaction to the attack. He needs to stop. If he doesn't then further strikes are necessary. The US military can walk and chew gum at that same time. It can handle Daesh and other targets while attending to Assad. This was a relatively small attack. Only two US naval vessels were involved. The US Navy has hundreds of ships.
     
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Good!
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Where is Comrade Schmeltzer and his S-400s?
     
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  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    We will see. I'm waiting what happens next too.

    Congratulations to iceaura, your candidate Clinton has, via the deep state, won the elections anyway. Trump is obviously doing what Clinton wants.

    US elections today decide about who decides which toilets have to be used by transgenders. The foreign policy is made by the deep state, and democracy does not matter at all in this question.

    The US ground troops (Daesh) have also started attacks nearby, as usual and expected https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...sive-near-military-base-targeted-us-missiles/
     
  13. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I see that US is celebrating in this way 100 years of their participation in WW I. A good day to start WW III, not?
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Oh please, just who do think you are fooling Comrade Schmeltzer? FYI: The US isn't celebrating WW I. It's honoring the lives and service of those who served.
     
  15. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    After reading glav.su I see this already not that serious. It seems clear that the Russians (and therefore the Syrians) have been informed about the attack before. So, the US did not become completely insane. The damage seems low, in particular the damaged airplanes, 14 or so, have been probably unable to fly anyway (so, have been those they were unable to fly away immediately). The airbase itself is declared to be usable again in short time. One commentator has asked what was higher - the damage for the Syrian side, or the costs for 60 or so tomahawks.

    The attack of the US ground forces (Daesh) seem to be stopped. Anyway, for fun:

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    About the technical questions, what is discussed is why the damage is so low, given that 60 rockets should have been sufficient for much more than completely vanishing more than one base. The two leading opinions proposed are that this was not more than a PR action anyway, or that too much of the 60 rockets simply have not reached the airbase, for reasons which will be known to specialists but not to the public, the third that they have only send 10 but decleared 60. Whatever, WW III will not start, Trump has played strong on Russia/Syria, joepistole is happy, and there will be no more than a symbolic/diplomatic Russian/Syrian reaction.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The U.S. doesn't belong in Syria. When the U.S., Russia, and Iran get involved it simply takes a small conflict and turns it into a large conflict.

    We aren't doing anyone any favors (ultimately) by being there. It makes certain politicians feel less impotent and that's about it.

    It's a civil war and is none of our business.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He's a fascist with a dominant army, taking baby steps. This is how they roll. You were warned to expect this months ago .

    And aside from the comedy value of watching the wingies pretzel themselves trying to blame Clinton or Obama or the "regressive left" or the "deep State" for this unholy mess, it's a grim scene and it's going to remain a grim scene. Evil is boring, shallow, repetitive, senseless stuff. Trump isn't going to be any good at war, either.
     
  18. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    The administration is being asked what the long term strategy is for Syria. For crying out loud this is Trump! There is no strategy. This is like his tweets. He sees something and reacts. No thought about consequences or if it is right or wrong, a proper response or not. It is stimulus and a reaction - that is it.

    Advisor: Mr. President look at these horrible pictures of childeren that were killed.
    Trump: Holy crap, that is biggly bad. Have the military attack Syria.
    Advisor: We bombed an air base in Syria.
    Trump: Was it a beautiful bombing?
    Advisor: Uh, yes sir.
    Trump: Good.
    Advisor: Does this signal a change in our strategy.
    Trump: What do you mean?
     
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  19. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, given that the Western media cannot accept elections where Assad wins, independent of whatever international observers would be allowed. So, it is clear that such elections could not be accepted as "free", independent of the reality on the ground.
    Stop lying. I have repeatedly written about various local militias, with the main aim to defend their villages/towns from looting by various FSA gangs or so, and also that such local militias will be usually forced to join or support some of the many coalitions, for protection from other coalitions. Of course, if there is a battle against such a coalition, those harmless local militia which have joined it take their death toll too. This is one reason why the Syrian army prefers to offer to many enclaves peace agreements with amnesty for those who give up their weapons and transfer to Idlib for those who want to continue fighting. This is a good possibility to distinguish those local militias from serious US- or Saudi-paid terrorists. And so this allows also to get some estimates of their numbers. Those who remain and use amnesty are local militias, while the real terrorists use transfer to Idlib. The question if there are fighters among those transferred to Idlib which are not really terrorists is another one. Some of them use the transfer to Idlib as a starting point of emigration to Europe or Turkey or so.

    Given that the secular FSA has become much more known for living from looting, while the jihadists follow as least some moral rules forbidding this, they usually have preferred to join jihadist forces. So, to distinguish such local militias from serious jihadists is quite difficult, given that they join the same group or coalition.
    That Obama did not really want to attack Syria 2013 I agree. The very idea that Assad would make an open chemical attack now is simply stupid. I think not even Trump can be so stupid to believe it.

    PS: I'm afraid that "Trump has played strong on Russia/Syria" was a misleading formulation, caused by my insufficient English. It should be interpreted as "Trump was presenting himself in the media as if he is a tough guy, much more tough than Obama, against Russia/Syria".

    PPS: There are official claims that only 23 of the 59 missiles reached the airbase. (Or at least the region of the airbase.) And this for an airbase 30 km away from the border ... LOL.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it is a civil war. But it's a civil war which has caused a humanitarian disaster, and that makes it the world's business. The Syrians need to solve their problems themselves. But that doesn't mean we let millions of Syrians be slaughtered, and there there are the problems associated with the mass immigration caused by the slaughter which needs to be considered. We don't need a destabilized Europe.
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    What elections?

    When are you going to stop lying comrade?

    What you have repeatedly don is repeat Russian propaganda.

    Yet Assad did, and Russia was suppose to prevent Assad from doing it again per agreement with the US. But he did and Russia failed.

    Whose official claims comrade? Where is your evidence? The US isn't your beloved Mother Russia comrade. And unfortunately for you comrade facts still matter. What happened to the S-400s you have been telling people about for years now? When the US informed Russia of the attack, Russians ran for cover. Where is this world war you said would occur if the US attacked Assad? Where is Putina? He isn't "stepping up to the plate" as you asserted.

    The fact is the Russian S-400s you have been touting did nothing to prevent the American attack. Unfortunately for you and your fellow Russians facts still do matter. Instead of laughing, you should be thinking.
     
  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Are you serious? A free election should include war criminals?
     
  23. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree, civil wars that include deliberate mass murder of innocent civilians, especially with chemical weapons, makes it the world's business.

    Assad knows that he can't gas people without consequences.

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    "AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!"
    Donald J. Trump (addressing Obama)
     
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