Might Makes Right. How to Survive Capitalism.

The entire population labors so that the rich can sit and do nothing. While you may work hard all day just to barely afford a decent place to live, the rich might make $500,000 per week without lifting a finger.

Take celebrities for instance. Anybody that thinks that celebrities do any work does not belong in this discussion. What celebrities do is not work. It is called, fun. Celebrities get paid tens of thousands of dollars per week to have fun. Celebrities do no work whatsoever.

Person A does lots of hard labor to get paid nothing.
Person B has lots of fun, and gets paid more in a week than Person A can make in years.

Crappytalism at its best.

 

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Well, perhaps they shouldn't do that then. Is anyone forcing them to work?

Baron Max

 

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Yes. The rich do whatever it takes to force people to work. By the gun if they have to.
It's different from traditional slavery in which people are legally owned bought sold.

It is a different form of slavery in which the rich control everybody with their manipulation of the law. They own the law. The law does not protect poor people. The vice president can shoot somebody in broad daylight, and continue to run free. If a poor person did that to a rich person, the poor person gets fried. This is not equality.

This is might makes right crappytalism.

 

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Then it's against the law and they should be prosecuted for it. We do have laws, ya' know?

Ya' know, capitalism has been used by humans since the first humans stood upright on the African plains. Being against capitalism is sorta' like being against humans dealing with other humans!

Baron Max

 

Being against capitalism is not being against human. I guess you don't know what a human is considering you continue to bring up irrelevant nonsense that has nothing to do with being human. Nobody cares if capitalism has always been used. I don't give a crap if it has always been used since the beginning of time. It is inneffective. Something that is inneffective is slated for demolition.

YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ.

It is a different form of slavery in which the rich control everybody with their manipulation of the law. They own the law. The law does not protect poor people. The vice president can shoot somebody in broad daylight, and continue to run free. If a poor person did that to a rich person, the poor person gets fried. This is not equality.

REFRAIN FROM RESPONDING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ. EVERYTIME YOU RESPOND, IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND ADDRESSED AS IF IT WERE NEVER STATED.

 

TOTALLY WRONG. ANY SYSTEM THAT IS BASED PRIMARILY ON
ACCUMULATION AND CONSUMTION IS DOOMED TO DEATH.
IF IT CAN'T CLEAN IT'S OWN WASTE AND REPRODUCE...kgh!...dead.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT EARTH IS ROUND.

CAPITALISM WAS NOT THE FIRST FORM OF INTERHUMAN RELATIONS.
TRY TO LEARN PRE-MODERN HISTORY.
MODERN HUMAN IS GOING INTO A DEAD END STREET. LEARN FROM OTHER CULTURES.
YOU MUST REALIZE THAT WE DESCEND FROM BRANCH OF
EUROPEAN - ROMAN - MIDDLE EAST CIVILIZATIONS.
THERE WERE PARALLELY COEXISTING CULTURES IN NORTH AND
SOUTH - MIDDLE AMERICA, AUSTRALIA AND SOME OF THEM
WERE EXTREMLY DEVELOPED AND RICH, BIOLOGICALLY AND CULTURALLY.
THEIR KNOWLEDGE HAS HELPED WHITE MAN IN SO MANY WAYS YOU
CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
AND YOU STILL CELEBRATE THE DAY WHEN COLUMBO "DISCOVERED" AMERICAS AND DON'T HAVE THE DAY FOR RED PEOPLE, AS FOR
RESPECTFULLY, DEVELOPED PEACEFULL NATIONS THAT YOU FORCED
INTO RESERVATIONS. I MEAN, WTF? AND YOU DON'T SEE THE
FLAW IN LOGIC HERE?!? WHERE IS THE RESPECT OF HUMANS
HERE AND BENEFIT OF YOUR "FIRST DEVELOPED RELATIONS BETWEEN HUMANS ON AFRICAN PLAINS" ?


EARTH WONT ADAPT TO US, WE JUST HAVE TO GET BACK
ON THE TRACKS....

 

Well, capitalism has been around for a helluva long time in the history of humans. Just when does this "doom" fall upon us?

Baron Max

 

Man, you're totally ignoring everything I wrote before.

resources like oil, fish, clean water are LIMITED,
or constant in Earth's homestasis.
=state of balance, regular periodical changes between max. and min.
of any condition, any thing, creature, water on Earth.

 

I'm totally open to anybody that has a solution on overcoming oppression. If not changing the world, than at least in life. Where can one go to escape? Find some form of land somewhere that will not require you to pay debt to the banking system over the course of your entire life?

What if you had a million dollars? Where can you even put it? I think the best place to put money is at home in a safe. Deposit it into a bank, and watch the bank do whatever they can to take it away from you.

 

There is a way, accept that money has no value, that things others can give to you are just as meaningless. At this point you can move beyond modern concepts of finance and see the world for what it truly is, children that aren't grown enough to support the lives of those born into it (homeless, etc.). I'm afraid that while I grew up on Star Trek and the ideals it's based upon everyone else in this world is just a fool. I've never seen anyone that had any respect for anything Star Trek tried to promote, indeed if they had any we'd see massive changes in this world. Just think if people stopped thinking money mattered but instead worked for the benefits of society.

 

Those who defend idealistic capitalism in it's basic, unregulated, purest form are just as naive as those who support idealistic communism- these pure systems can not exist in the human world. These ideal systems inevitably get corrupted by human nature.

We need to design an entirely new system- equally beneficial and acceptable to all people, self-sustaining, flexible, super-efficient, and uncorruptable by design.

 

I agree. In order to make money these days, you have to perform some really stupid form of inanity. To make money, I go to office, and do all these things in fincance. Wow. Everything people do in offices in order to make money is inane stupidity. Yes it is great to make busloads of money. As wonderful as it is, you pretty much partake in really stupid activites in oder to get it.

 

I guess there really is no way to avoid the problems of the world. I've heard so many times people talking about how they really don't care about what is happening as long as it doesn't affect them. The fact is, everybody is affected.

People have their own problems, and don't have time to worry about sweat shop slaves in black/brown countries that manufacture our products and pay debt to the rich. Either they will argue that there is nothing wrong with it. Or they will claim that there is something wrong, but have more important things to worry about. Thus, they don't want to hear about it or discuss it.

Turning the blind eye to the situation. The labor camps all around the world. Just like Hitler used to have a screen on his car so he didn't have to see out the window of the concentration camps. He didn't want to see the reality of what he was doing. People don't want to see the reality of what is going on around the world.

People will tell me that there is nothing wrong because I have a place to live, car, and all these great amenities. Thus, I have nothing to complain about. UTTER CRAP. As long as there are people being persecuted and suffering because of the rich, there is something to be upset about.

The rich use whatever tactics necessary to gain as much control as possible over other countries. All fot he benefit of American interests rich people pockets. They claim tha globalization helps these countries tremendously. Yet they refuse to admit that they were the ones that put these countries into chaos in the first place.

Install a dictator friendly to American interests. This is always the case in all these countries. Fund these dictators to take control over their countriy's resources, lands, and labor. Thereby the dictator gets all this richness and power. Meanwhile being submissive to the USA.

This is a tactic in Makiaveli's Prince. Instead of actually invading a country, and setting up a remote governor to oversee that territory under the policies of your homeland. It is better to allow the country to keep its laws and independence. While supporting a local dictator that continues to support your homeland's interest.

Dictators of the past in many countries have accepted enormous amounts of riches and lavish elitist lifestyle at the expense of their people. These elites aren't necessarily aware of what life is about. They don't understand the concept of living a healthy productive life while using your money and power to benefit the poor. All they understand is consume consume consume. Lavish activities and parties material things mansions, jewlries, and 30 cars. And any form of consumption that makes them feel like they are enjoying their life.

 

That is certainly how it was, but times are changing. See:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a0a8IQrfwSFU&refer=home

where you can read:
"... Almost two centuries after President James Monroe declared Latin America a U.S. sphere of influence, the region is breaking away. From socialist-leaning Venezuela to market-friendly Brazil, governments are expanding military, economic and diplomatic ties with potential U.S. adversaries such as China, Russia and Iran. ..."

Note pre-Monroe, the US was not strong enough to be the main exploiter of South America's masses. The end of this domination (with US supported dictators killing more than 50,000 "left leaning" students etc - often after torture they were drudged, loaded in the helicopters the CIA supplied and simply dropped into the sea a few miles off shore. - See wiki etc about "Operation Condor" for more details.)

It is also interesting to note that it was on another "9/11" the left leaning but fairly elected Allende, President of Chile, was killed with CIA supplied equipment, while taking up his residency in the presidential Place. Everyone in South America knew (and still knows) about that "9/11" and I think that is why the US's 9/11 happen on the day it did. All of the major terrorist stikes have their date set with politic and historical consideration - but usually Joe American has no knowledge of these intended refference.

The escape from US exploitation began with the Vietnam War. Uncle Sam's CIA was stretched too thin - could not keep its local dictators well controlled with recent second hand military toys to play with / suppress their populations. Now, with the recent meeting, which the link above give data on, it is official: The Monroe era is over! - The US was not even allowed to come to the meeting as "observers."!

But again, this exploitation of the weak by the strong began long before there even was a USA.
To give one example:
In Peru there was an entire mountain of very high grade copper ore. I think it was the Spanish, but really does not matter who, that took it. There were primitive people living near it, mainly hunters and very simple crude farmers. They were both promised and good life and forced at gun point to go to the mountain (and to carve a dirt road thru the jungle to it). That huge mountain (snow capped, I think) was dug up, basket-by-basket and taken to the shore for export. (Not sure but perhaps the bulk was reduced by first level smelting out copper.) It took three Plus generations for the entire mountain to be stolen and by then the grandchildren of the original forced labors did not know how to hunt or farm, so when the ore was gone, the communal kitchens were closed and almost all simple starved to death in a few months.

What did Peru and it people get? - An erosion scare in the jungle and a dirt road, which soon was reclaimed by the jungle. What Monroe and the US did was just more of the same. Finally, the US's economic problems and the rise of Asia, is setting South America free to pursue its own interests, not work as slaves for others.