Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Michael Anteski, Feb 19, 2017.
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This has been quite a lengthy thread. It might help orient a new viewer to write a capsule Summary of the essentials of my Ether Model.
The stability and orderliness of quantum systems such as the structuring of atoms requires an underpinning matrix, of uniform elemental quantum-building-block ether units, which serves as an underlying vibrating continuum of linear transmissions that connect quantum units which are related and similar, as witnessed by Quantum Entanglement (QE). This kind of process is a basic aspect of quantum physics. QE does not just represent a rare and peculiar "entanglement" process.
Compare the straightforwardness of this kind of Model with rival models, such as string theory with its eleven dimensions.
any idea how to test it?
Any new viewer will rapidly see you have no model, no theory and no hypothesis. You have a series of science terms strung together at random that convey nothing.
What binds your ether units together, and what guarantees they are uniform? (Also, have you looked into knot theory?)
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As elemental (thus uniform) ether units vibrate, their outward vibrations are able to contact each other, forming a "loose" (potentially reversible), linear, connection. Multiple such connections can make an entrainment, i.e., larger energy units.
So, assuming you are using ether in it's modern understanding as space-time itself, it sounds like you are describing a model of quantized space-time, treating particles as, interpreting your energetic connections as wave-like in totality, waves distributed across your quantized units of space?
If those interpretations are correct, you're describing the perturbation model of quantum physics. The analogue to the latent energy of the vibrations would be vacuum energy, I think.
As for being simpler than string theory because fewer dimensions, I think you have a misunderstanding about what those dimensions are; they're not necessarily dimensions in the sense of additional directions (although they're not not additional directions, either), they're mathematical constructs designed to represent the various quantities involved.
If you are familiar with the holographic principle, you can think of string theory as one extreme in the spectrum from "Everything is a direction" to "There are no directions, just bits of data encoded in complex waveforms". Your model is going to need to encode the same information somewhere - likely, I assume, in the wave distribution of energy in the "linear connections".
At the point where you start encoding the behaviors in the "entrainment", which again I am interpreting as the waveform of energy, I'm not sure the quantization itself does anything for you. The math doesn't get any simpler - indeed, it ends up being the same math, we are just labeling things differently.
You're either going to need to add an additional dimension, or posit hidden variables, or abandon locality, in order to arrive at the behavior observed for entanglement. Not to mention some kind of fundamental constraint limiting the number of entanglements possible.
Overall, I suggest you look into the standard model, as I think your ideas, at least as I am reading them, are basically analogous to it.
No, my Ether Model differs from quantum systems in every aspect of analysis you mentioned. In my Ether Model, the dynamics of the ether matrix which underlies and underpins quantum systems operates vibrationally, and as a continuum, of linear "contact" transmissions. Of course we know that quantum dynamics operate via processes involving vectors, spin, fields, and waves, making the two systems very different.
You mentioned "waves" as a possible way for a quantist to rationalize connections between such an ether as I propose and the manifestations of the quantum forces we observe. -In my Model, waves represent our observation of forces that are involved as larger "etheroidal" ether units are just at the point of transitioning to quantum scale units such as photons or electrons (or if you prefer, bosons and fermions - energy units we are able to detect, in contrast to these etheroidal units we aren't able to detect.) In my Model, the peaks of such waves are a manifestation of a cascade of etheroidal units, as they transition to the subquantum- or quantum- scale units. The troughs of the waves represent a die-back effect as the underlying etheroidal units get temporarily depleted. -Then, as whatever initiating outside energy source continues, there ensues a re-buildup of etheroidal units, and the next wave form appears.
Vibrational? Assuming you are talking about energy, why doesn't it just disperse?
I mean, visualizing this as Brownian motion, there is no reason for the vibrations to collect together to form cascades of any sort. And if the vibrations somehow attract vibrations, I'm going to have to ask how/why.
ETA: Actually, two questions: Why do the vibrations collect, and why do they disperse after collecting to a particular magnitude?
The model of a universal vibratory ether begins with an "origins" model. -The concept is based on the idea that the very first "happening" of all was a universal oscillation. The only possible substrate for that would have been original space. Original space would have been free of forces, thus different from space as it is now. The oscillations would have to have been ultimately small, or "elemental" points, or point-localities. At some point, adjacent point-localities underwent oscillational fatigue, and fell together as "Yin and Yang" couplets. Any such pairings would have necessarily had to reversibly revert to singleton points, breaking to perfect symmetry of the oscillations, and converting Space from point-localities reciprocally oscillating to a universal ether composed of independently-vibrating elemental units. (Oscillational fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.)
Space would now have contained an ether matrix, the elemental localities of which vibrated, their outward vibrations coming into contact with one another.
Here and now, why do the vibrations cohere? You say the coherent state isn't a wave. What is it? Heck, what are your vibrations, if not waves, minding that a cohered set of waves forms a wave?
Also, metals fatigue because they are made up of smaller things, whose connections are altered over time. Oscillatory fatigue implies that the state of your fundamental units changes, which means they aren't actually fundamental, they're made up of smaller things, whose interactions change over time.
Addendum, to question "why do elemental ether units collect (together)?"
The concept here is that when an initiating outside energy is operating (such as the sun, a flashlight bulb, or a pair of reciprocating electrical nodes), the elemental ether units in the ether occupying the intervening area of space begin to align with neighboring elemental units, rather than quietly vibrating in random separate vibrations. These alignments would be part of a common vibratory pattern getting started in the ether matrix. Such alignments then form larger aggregate entrainments of elemental ether units. -This is how larger energy units, up to the scale of quantum units, arise.
If, for example, the area of increased energy is photonic, or light-related, the vibratory pattern within the ether in the area becomes that of photonic transmissions. If, for example, the initiating energy source is a flashlight bulb, there would be ambient photons ahead of the bulb in the direction of the beam, and the ether units in this area would "feel" the commonality in the two vibratory patterns (the photons coming from the bulb and the photons in the space ahead of the flashlight), a photonic type of vibratory pattern would be generated in the ether, so that the photonic type energy units would begin resonating. All along the path of the light beam, additional quantum photons also would be getting generated, as the smaller ether units aggregate into larger units, up to the size of quantum photons. (The idea of ambient photons, with which photonic forces from the bulb would resonate, existing ahead of the flashlight, is that there are always photons in our surrounding ambience, even after sunset.)
A "common vibratory pattern" is a wave.
And now we have a pilot wave. Albeit one that operates by spooky action at a distance. Which is... rather unnecessary, but alright.
Why don't the photons behind the flashlight vibrate? How do they know they aren't in the path of photons that haven't arrived yet? Are you supposing that the commonality by which they interact includes some kind of distance and velocity? (What does having space even do for you at that point? You don't need three dimensions. You don't need any dimensions. Everything already knows where and when everything else it might need to interact with via "commonality.")
The flashlight sent its photonic light beam forwards, so the photons ahead of the light bulb would be the ones the ether reacts to. -I'm not sure why you asked this question. Why would photons behind the light bulb want to react with the photons from the bulb which are projected forwards?
One needs to think in terms of what could be happening in quantum entanglement, and to draw a logical extension to the example I gavc, of a flashlight beam. A key concept with my Model is the idea of a matching ether-matrix vibratory-pattern mediating connections of quantum units.
The photons don't "want" to react to anything.
What relationship exists that defines what photons react, and what photons don't?
I ought to apologize for criticizing Adirian's post that said photons behind the flashlight in my example could iuteract with the photons from the bulb of the flashlight, despite being behind it. -Of course, a slight glow is seen spreading out from the flashlight's main beam going forward, even as far as behind the flashlight.. The beam doesn't get cut sharply off. That would, in my Ether Model, be due to a random scattering of the photonic effect to other etheric photonic units, through the space, all around the area. This is because the ether units follow a vibratory type of dynamics, different from quantum dynamics with its wave effects and vectored fields, and the ether is present all through the space around the flashlight.
As an aside, this also would, in my Model, apply to an interesting theoretic problem in experimental physics, namely the double-slit experiment, in which a still-unexplained effect occurs, in which the observed particles and waves of light appear to be changing unexpectedly, depending on whether the test-slit area is "being observed" or not.
The way my Model would address this is that the confusing results occur because the experiment is not just "being observed," but rather that the physics experimenters failed to recognize that an ether exists, and failed to properly shield their observing instruments (tabulators or others) from indirect scattering effects of ether forces from the instruments after they are turned on. (The experiments do shield the slit-test area against interfering radiation, from the instruments, of quantum forces, but since they don't recognize the existence of indirect etheric forces from the instruments as they operate, they do not shield the slit-test area against indirect etheric interference.
I submit this is analogous to the suggestion by Adirian that the etheric components of photonic forces would (in my Model) extend as a "scattering effect," throughout a lighted area.
In the last Post, one aspect of my Ether Model, which gave a mechanism for how photonic/light forces can underlie "scattering" effects of light-beams (unlike purely quantum forces, which follow vectored patterns), may be better appreciated by considering the basic Ether Model itself, and how it rationally explains such light-effects.
The stability and orderliness of quantum systems we can observe, such as atomic structuring in our world, has to be coming from an underpinning matrix of elemental, uniform, quantum-building-block ether units, which form a vibrating continuum of linear transmissions that connect quantum units that are related and similar (quantum "entanglement" is an example of this.) -Our present "stand alone" quantum physics is not able to account for basic questions like this. Its "rival models," such as string theory, with its eleven dimensions, will never be able to adequately explain them.
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