I think we're trying to leap across a distance that we cannot handle and we need a little rock in the middle. So, here are some personal questions (and I want you to address these as personal questions): 1. How do you understand "masculinity" and "femininity"? 2. How did you come up with these concepts? If you're going to include personal observation, please provide short descriptions of situations where individuals you've observed exhibited the qualities you're listing and not the opposite qualities. As this can get rather lengthy, limit yourself to the qualities you consider most important. 4. What is an ideal human? 5. What is an ideal woman? What is an ideal man? 6. How did you come up with these ideal images? 7. Do you fit that description of an ideal person/man/woman? How and why? This thread is not meant for arguments. This thread is meant for comparison of experiences.