McCain VP

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  1. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Ben, you are a smart guy. Can you not see that there has not be a real conservative in the Republican party for long time? I mean someone who will conserve the ideals that made America great. The recent Republican greed/creed has been:

    "We are more equal than others" - every unAmerican, IMHO.

    Those lossy urban shools, the lack of adequate heath services*, few opportunities for the "less equal" poor, etc. are nothing to do worry or do anything about. Corportate profits (especailly for oil industry) are at all time high - why worry? As John McCain said:

    "The US economy is fundamentally sound."

    Never mind that Joe American is losing his house, can not afford to drive his car, is worried that his job will be the next to be out-sourced, can not get credit with his maxed out credit card (he has been buying his food with it too much.), etc. - that is just "winning." Privately owned company Cargill (and many others) is doing fine with the tax subsidies for corn and the protective tariff walls keeping Joe's car fuel costly and bringing in the big campaing contributions, while slowing the introduction of cars that do NOT need any gasoline, but run on pure alcohol - as they have for 30 years now in Brazil at about half the per mile cost of gas.

    Perhaps you will at least think it foolish to cut research budgets to fund manned trip to Mars?

    I am a "conservative" too - just could not vote for the current Republicans who are not.
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    *Twice as costly and half as good as Canada's or any other modern society (except for the very rich)
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well said Billy, you can speak for us Joe's anytime!!!
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    madanthonywayne,

    Although we have been over this before on how experience counts for nothing for presidents, this includes experience in executive office. Time magazine had a very detailed chart of all presidents and their experience in years AND in what field (General, State, Federal, Senate, House, etc) and it showed no proof of correlation even with executive experience. Running the country seems to be wholly different from running a state or city, and the challenges facing as president can not be prepared for by "experience" rather adaptability and clear thinking is probably a better indicator if though much harder to quantitate.

    Also her popularity in a highly conservative state is not something to brag about, I could get 89% approve amongst mad scientist if I wanted to.
     
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  7. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    If you look like your recent advars - more than that.

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  8. DeepThought Banned Banned

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    McCain's a genius.

    The Hilary voters will swing.

    ( Liberals have been attempting to deface Palin's Wiki page - lol )
     
  9. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    If they're that retarded, they deserved Hillary's loss.
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    That gives me an idea, if McCain VILF were to do a strip dare, daring that if she wins she will pose nude I think McCain could not possibly lose!
     
  11. DeepThought Banned Banned

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    Remember we're talking about women here.
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    OOOOH NO YOU DIDN'T?!?!

    I think some women are offended by mccain's choice, others are stupid enough to fall for it, sort of like men: they are individuals.
     
  13. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I am not so sure. Some may sit it out possibly. I plan to, despite admiring Obama. I am nearly certain the US and EU will be in deep depression with high probablity that it occurs in the next 4 years. I do not think it now posible to avoid that - not even with the spirit Obama can arouse.

    GWB has dug the economic hole too deep.

    I personally put too much into the civil rights movement to vote for him. (I was a leader in Baltimore - actually ran the movement at the tactical level the summer we opened the resturants and theaters to all.) If Obama is president when the depression comes, he will at least be blamed by many. - I do not want it to be many decades before another black can run again. (I still share MLK's dream.)

    GWB and the Republicans in general, who until recently also controlled Congress will not "own their achievements" - Hell, even McCain is running as if he were not one for the last 26 years, a -90% supporter of GWB.

    I know I should vote for Obama. - I just cannot do it, expecting what I do will happen to the US economy.

    Also disagree with your POV as many women now can think - want what is best for USA - will take offense that McCain thinks they only look at the sex of the candidates. In some sense McCain is a pre-historic dinosaur in this. If a woman, I would be offended. It is obvious why she was chosen, even if unqualified to be president on day 2.
     
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  14. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely. But the best people that come along really aren't that great---take Ron Paul, for example. How am I supposed to vote for Ron Paul when I rely on DOE/NSF to pay my rent?

    Are you telling me Obama is more socially conservative than McCain? What's a poor conservative like me to do? Vote Obama and hope for the best? Apologies if I don't identify with "America's most liberal senator"

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    Apologies if I disagree with things like his stance on partial birth abortions, and think that Obama's reaction to the Soviet Invasion of Georgia was a bit...soft.

    Look, I don't like McCain, but I sure don't want Obama in charge. (To be clear, I probably won't vote if it's not going to be close in Ohio.) Then I'll vote for McCain just to piss off all of the liberal grad students here who hate the fact that my truck gets 15 milles/gal but still ask me to help them move. I may even put a sticker on my office door.
     
  15. DeepThought Banned Banned

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    Your only kidding yourself.

    Women want a woman in power.

    Blacks want a black man in power.

    Whites want a white man in power.

    It's only nature.... nothing to be afraid of.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    BenTheMan,

    You don't like obama because he "Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion."?

    Also obama take on Georgia seems like a very wise move, mccain on the other hand likes to poke and prod retro-hyper-soviet leaders who are armed with nuclear weapons, rather then deal with them diplomatically like obama, respecting the fact that Putin and his ilk are insane are likely to kill us all if fuck with: in other words its best not to call armed insane assholes, "assholes" straight to their face like McCain did.
     
  17. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I'm still a little stunned by the Palin pick to be honest. Sure, I like her more than your average Republican, and she comes from one of the more libertarian states and has the occasional libertarian tendency. But not as a VP pick against Obama, and especially not as some political sledgehammer to win Hillary voters. It just doesn't strike me as smart or serious.

    But of course, this election could very well prove me wrong.
     
  18. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Well you could join me in Brazil. Lula wants to use / "ear-mark" the recently discovered "pre-salt" petroleum money for education and health care. He has not cut the corruption, but has reduced the gap between rich and poor quite significantly. (See some of my posts in the BRICs+ news thread for quantative data.) The economy will be hurt by the comming depresion but not too badly - Brazil has everything China needs to import and can drive a hard bargan for the food and iron ore (prices up 65% YoY) etc. they will depend upon us for.

    Lula is reducing the national debt, even the internal debt at least as Percentage of GDP. Giving out free condumns in the world's most Catholic country -to reduce the need for abortions. Helping maintain order in Hatti, working hard for Pedro Brazil, not the money interest. In short, striving to make conservative American ideals live here in Brazil. I ride the subway and like the fact that I am the only one in the car who even notices that it is a black guy kissing some white girl, or or conversely. (After all it is their right to make their choice - that is both liberal and conservative POV in MHO.) I like the fact that many are standing and there are empty seats for the older folks - I don't use them much as do not need, but like that they are there.

    You are a young guy - If not married, think about it seriously - can not beat the Brazilian girls on looks or intelligence - they dominate the competive entrance Universities. Brazil needs well educated scientists badly - come and help. Get out while your dollars will still buy some Real (not even half what they did 4 years ago, but still some). Fresh and cheap fruits etc. year round, and No Snow, but Lula does not get credit for that.

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  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Lets test the assumption that women only want other women in power: what percentage of women vote for Hillary, if women wanted power it should have been above 90% (it was more like 60%). Actually only old dry vagina hags supported Hillary simply because she a women, while younger women voters who did not feel the world is against them because of their 4th orifice voted for obama over hillary.
     
  20. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that's exactly what I meant. How astute of you. I don't trust women with choices.

    I feel that partial birth abortions should be illegal.
     
  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Sooo you think the government should tell people what to do?
     
  22. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Tempting. Hot women. Good coffee. Awesome music. But not so good physics. And I don't speak Portugese. Plus there is a (probably remote) possibility that Brazil may have to deal with this Nuevo-Socialista bullshit that's popping up in Venezuela and Bolivia, in the form of a red-shirt wearing, let's-disguise-this-Mrxism-as-a-legitimate-democracy-because-the-poor-people-can't-tell-the-difference president.
     
  23. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    They seem to have a long history of telling people what they can't do...
     

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