McCain/Obama Debate.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Ganymede, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Are you honestly this obtuse?

    polls are an indication of the electorate's opinion. The track record was how they stand on the issues, how things are going, and how they react to things. Given the state of the economy and the general lack of support for the right wings side of the issues the odds of Mccain's potential second term are slim. People will be more displeased if he follows his track record.
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    It is true. It is Diebold machines what elect presidents....

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  5. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    Obama was strong in the first half, but when the questions turned to foreign policy (the stuff that matters) McCain got much stronger.
     
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  7. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    And is NGM foisting his quackery some more? Honestly. If anyone has any brains, just ignore him.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    McCain certainly put up a good show. If you were already with him on foriegn policy, I guess he appeared to know some things. I thought Obama's answers were better, but I'm an Obama supporter.

    The debate format was strange, they should have agreed beforehand wether to engage each other directly or not. The VP debate will be the one to watch.
     
  9. camilus the villain with x-ray glasses Registered Senior Member

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    hell yeah, Im gonna buy a 12pack just to watch the VP debate.

    But Im watching the first debate right now. McCain isnt doing as bad as I thought he would, but Obama definitely looks sharper and more intelligent in his answers. I thought Obama was a little more conservative than usual, but I guess it's a good strategy because if he seemed to liberal or left, he might drive away voters.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It wasn't an ad hominum, and it did not absolve the Dems from their many bad doings - such as not working harder to block bad Rep legislation.

    It was a simple statement, and easy assertion to contradict - find a piece of legislation that was the Dems fault, and point to it. My claim is that you can't.
    If I were objecting to a statement like that, I would have no problem finding a contradictory example. And if I had made a statement like that, I would provide such backup.

    The statement I made was logically different, and even so at your request I threw up my hands and provided appropriate evidence in support of it - a brief description of the extent of the Republican Party's behavior and control of legislation in Congress from '94 on, a physical reality which frankly I would expect to be taken for granted in this kind of discussion.

    You have not found fault with that description, or provided the slightest evidence in contradiction of the assertion. Instead, you demand I provide evidence of a negative, an absence, the shape of things unseen and not present. You are making no sense.
     
  11. NGM Registered Member

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    I'm sure that in your naive opinion, you see me as obtuse. You can't imagine how little that matters to me or anyone else.

    You want to discuss track records? Let's discuss the track record of the Democratically controlled Congress. It's poll rating right this minute is....what?

    hehe, pretty funny.

    Simply stated, McCain is our next President. Get over it. If he manages to stay alive until the following election, he'll be elected again.

    The people have seen what the Democrats are capable of...NOTHING.

    All talk and no action.
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Notions of government

    I wouldn't say nothing, but you do have a point.

    See, I find it striking that, while so many conservatives I have known over the years criticize Congress and government frequently and harshly, for some reason, when the Democrats have the majority, not governing suddenly becomes a bad thing. It's a really bizarre change of heart.

    Case in point: when Clinton shut the government down instead of agreeing to a crappy budget, conservatives complained. You'd think they would have celebrated. Of course, then Newt had to go throw a tantrum about not being allowed to ride up front, but I suppose that's a separate issue.

    Indeed, with the current Congress, what have the Democrats done? Funded the war? Expanded FISA? Given the president damn near whatever he wants? I'd rather that they actually did nothing at all, at least until they figure out how to do something good.

    And, hell, to hear the conservatives complain about Congressional Democrats these days, you'd think it was a supermajority instead of a hairsbreadth determined by where the independent throws his lot.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Horsey says ....

    This one has been up for a couple days. David Horsey, for those who aren't familiar with the name, is the Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist currently enlisted by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

    Perhaps Horsey is overstating the case a little bit. Not so much with calling the event nearly miraculous; indeed, after eight years of shrubbery, a coherent political debate might well seem an act of divine intervention. However, I'm not sure this debate really lived up to the praise Horsey lavishes upon it. After all, consider the standard:

    They knew names and geography? Yeah, with the Bush history and Palin prospect, I can understand how we might be accustomed to lowering the bar. A "passing reference" to a geopolitical vacuum? Agreed, this point is often lost in electoral politics and coverage, but is a passing reference all we are prepared to handle? Recognizing complexity? How about offering us some? Wait, wait; I am aware that if Obama actually presents a complex argument, he will be accused of elitism by his opponents. And, yes, I am painfully aware of how powerful such accusations can be. But the point is that while this debate was, indeed, a stark change from the political discourse of the Bush era, what we had before the 2000 election wasn't all that great.

    Pabulum. That's what the American people are accustomed to in presidential debates. And while it might seem politically risky to offer the electorate solid food at this point, we won't know the effect until someone tries. And, frankly, I'm not sure an old hand like Biden is going to raise the bar on Thursday. He's found much success in the traditional politics that Americans both despise and reward; his biggest challenge on Thursday will to not seem too cruel as Palin flounders in the mud.

    That in itself will be harder than we might think.
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    Horsey, David. "News flash: A real debate happened!" Drawing Power. September 27, 2008. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/davidhorsey/
     
  14. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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  15. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Just ignore them. They both are just doing it in attempt to stroke their egos.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    He can type plain english? you could have fooled me............
     
  17. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Not exactly, it allows the minority to prevent action. Most of the time, I think we'd be way better off if congress did absolutely nothing. The filibuster serves to slow things down in the Senate, it's a check on government power. Occasionally (like on judicial nominations when my party holds th presidency), it's annoying. But, overall, anything that slows down the process of congress choking us to death with more and more laws is a good thing.
     
  18. Roman Banned Banned

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    Amen.
     
  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    MOD HAT: Buffalo roam, this is an english forum. if you wish to post in morse code find another forum. If you continue to post like this i will concider it spam and trolling and ban your for an apropriate time frame. This is your offical warning
     

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