Martian Settlement, 2090

this thread isnt about me. Focus on topic of the thread.

 

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One example:

http://www.space.com/news/lmhinners_mco_991110.html
"Accepted responsibility" = "Yes we made/ supplied crap"
"but not the full blame" = "but we managed to shift some of the blame onto someone else as well so we're not really guilty".

In other words "it's our fault, but not just our fault because nobody else spotted our mistake".
That's engineering for you.
Fun fun fun: all day, every day.

 

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what can I say, **** happens.

 

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We are focussing on the topic: as I and Mikenostic stated earlier: it's about feasibility, not wishful thinking.

Your approximation based on what?
Your knowledge of engineering?

If you'd actually looked at any Mars landing plans you'd have probably seen various proposals for inflatable habitats, to be covered over with dirt.

 

the inflatables are way too risky to use on Mars.

No it is not my wishful thinking, Oli. I am not some rabbit claiming I am from Alpha Centauri.

Perminov, head of Roskosmos: http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/russia_mars_040510.html

 

We are focussing on the topic: as I and Mikenostic stated earlier: it's about feasibility, not wishful thinking.

exactly... you think the American public is going to get behind going to Mars with all the other crap going on... you're sadly mistaken.

You don't think that any government contract can be pulled at any given moment.. then you have no experience on how contracting works.

 

So you're ignoring the bit where I said "covered in dirt"?
To a considerable depth IIRC.

Brilliant!
Or did you miss the the bit about

Hmm, funding...
From a country that had to cancel its two newest fighter projects, and couldn't even pay for test flights from one of the prototypes.

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And from that same link:

 

before we get to contracting issues, we need to establish a plan. And be optimistic, not dead kill pessimists.

Healthcare money needs to be invested instead into space!

 

Ten years ago Nasa had plans to bring back Martian soil and bounce it into the Utah salt flats..... so far no soil samples...hmmm

 

enough with the vulgarity. Covering it with dirt? there are dust devils on Mars, small sharp rock makes a cut...and boom goes the thing.

Russia is doing better and better and gets enough funding for space programmes. It is the number one sattelite launcher in the world. It does space tourism. And in 2009, Mr. Deripaska will fly to ISS and people like him will be funding the future missions to Mars. so dont you worry...US will be behind in this race oncemore...

 

Oli already mentioned it, one time is enough. Yes the thing failed. Yes it happens. Lets move on.

 

Vulgarity?
Are you smoking something you shouldn't be?
Dust devils?
So what?
The plan was to to build up a thickness of a couple of feet IIRC and maybe spray it with a solidifier.
Sharp rocks?
You think someone trained to fly a space craft might consider NOT putting sharp bits next to a flimsy film?

They wouldn't do space tourism if it didn't make a fat profit.
And it still doesn't address the quote

 

thay spokesman just wants more money for the politicians around this project, traitor to the nation.

 

oh sorry Oli I though IIRC was some sort of slang for a disorder of some sort...

 

No ..entirely different project ... guess you weren't at the Nasa briefing down in Las Cruces
Oli talking about a single probe that was launched to Mars... it flew.. the project I'm talking about had two birds.. one was to go to the surface the other was to bring it back

and contracting is everything when you're talking about aerospace

 

IIRC = If I Remember Correctly.

 

Oli... I be glad to motor up the A11.. IIRC ...stop by the Heath and take some pics, though I'd be sad cause the aardvarks are gone... and then buy you a pint of Greene King Abbott Ale

I know you'd tell me Abbott Ale is swill

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uke: and make a better recommendation ... I liked it tho

 

What have they got now the 'varks have gone?
It's a few years since I was down that way (in fact I think I was still married

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).
It's not my part of the country (and no transport anymore).
I'll try any beer once.

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Not sure, 15's I would think... that's what it looks like from goggle earth

been awhile since i was there too... obliviously... not even sure if Greene King is still in biz

only about 5000 miles for me

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...sorry 8000 kilometers

 

That is a huge problem. What are the current endurance records for spaceflight? Every single Mars bound astronaut has to exceed endurance records in one single flight, exceeding cumulative records currently held.

If people get ill, we cannot rescue them, we cannot replace them easily. We need redundancy in crew membership, and lots of supplies and expertise, because re-supply is not an option either.

Living in cramped conditions with many members of crew for long periods will also cause problems. While getting people to Mars might be technically possible, economically it's not viable, and sociologically there are problems. So just why anyone would want to establish a colony is beyond me. If we can make space travel easier and cheaper, I'm sure the technological leaps would have a more direct benefit on Earth.