Marines refuse to leave Berkeley despute Council resolution

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Feb 3, 2008.

  1. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Can you imagine if the opposite happened, if the Council labeled a war protesting organization as "uninvited and unwelcome?" You wouldn't want the Council to have the power to kick the protesters out of the city would you?
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You mean like rounding up communists or Japanese Americans or detainees in Gitmo?
     
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  5. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    So you wouldn't want them to have that power. Glad we agree.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    But are we talking about protestors? We are talking about an agency that actively recruits people for an occupation of a foreign country.

    What if it was a group actively recruiting people for bombing Americans. Would it be okay to shut it down?
     
  8. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    There's still no difference. They have every right to be there as any other agency. In fact, the protectors are the ones who're infringing on the Marines' property rights by chaining themselves to private property.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So you're saying if Iraqi-Americans formed a group to actively recruit people to bomb pro-war Americans, it would be fine?
     
  10. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    If they got arrested, it wouldn't be because the Council magically got some sort of authority to go after them. It would be because (not 100%, but I'm pretty sure about this) they'd be labeled as terrorists, or conspiring to help a terrorist organization, under our post-9/11 laws.
     
  11. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Remember that the government is supposed to have a monopoly on violence. In that sense, violence promoted by and done on behalf of the city/state/country is legal. Violence done or promoted by civilians is a different issue, and illegal.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So considering the Berkeley Council is government, can they use violence to shut down the recruiting office?

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  13. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, not until the recruiting office does something illegal, as you probably already know. As opposed to someone who recruited to promote or commit violence against Americans, something which is inherently illegal.
     
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    Ah so its legal to commit violence against nonAmericans and actively recruit people in the US for the same?

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  15. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Legality kind of flies out the window in the context you're talking about. There's no international overseeing body that can tell the US "stop, this war is illegal" that has enough actual authority to enforce it.

    Besides, it's not as if this can be decided by Berkeley law, which is what we were talking about originally. The answer to your original question, again, is no, the Berkeley council doesn't have the right to forcibly remove the marines from their city.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm so basically even if the Berkeley residents do not want an agency recruiting for a foreign occupation in their city, they have no choice but to accept it?

    Could they refuse them a lease based on any grounds?
     
  17. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I suppose our foreign lenders are an authority that could enforce it's will. If they stop lending the money to fund this war, you'd think we'd have no choice but to end it.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The US is borrowing money to fund this war? Thats interesting, do you have any figures?
     
  19. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think so. The private owner could, and the residents could personally request him/her to not allow the marines to stay, but not some sort of governing body.
     
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    Hmm so the residents could refuse to lease space to the Marine recruiting corps?
     
  22. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Sure. If the private owner doesn't want to lease the space to the Marine recruiters, he doesn't have to.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    There should definitely be a way to cut back recruitment.

    Its obviously a bullshit war going nowhere for a long time now.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/01/military.suicides/index.html
     

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