Mansfield helicopter ufo incident

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Here's a compelling ufo encounter that occurred in the 70's with a military helicopter. The video is from the 90's TV series "Sightings". James R asked me to post a good case so he can "make an example of me." So go ahead James. Warning though..I will not submit to insults and ad homs. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

     
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  5. RADII Registered Member

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    Why do you not post anything more recent?

    For example, there was a well-documented UFO incident in Puerto Rico [Aguadilla] in 2013, which has gun-camera video, radar data & eyewitness testimony associated with it. There was a follow-on incident in 2014.

    There were/are the Phoenix lights of 1997, which are twenty years ago, but still newer than the '70s.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Why do I have to post only recent sightings? Does the passage of time invalidate a ufo encounter?
     
  8. RADII Registered Member

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    In a sense, yes. It is indicative of observer bias on your part.

    If UFOs are... Then they are... Always. There should always be recent reports that would be found reputable.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong..the classic ufo cases are not invalidated by the passage of time. They are just as compelling as they were the day they happened. There is no observer bias at all. Why don't you post a thread on a recent ufo case instead of bitching about my threads?
     
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  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    From the 70's to today technology has made great advantages

    I would have expected UFO sightings to
    • Increase in number/frequency
    • Increase in quality
    Not happening. Still fuzzy photos. Same for ghost. Why? why? why?

    Just about every 6 months or shorter periods a new phone comes out. Electronic stores are awash with up to date with the newest bestist gadgets. Never seen a ad saying we have the new best ghost detector. Or - install the new UFO detection ariel on your roof to find out what flying overhead - has thousands of filters to screen out all aircraft and planets so no false alarms. If the alarm goes off you have been visited. For a few extra $s add the auto photo/video recording with sound included

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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Magical Realist:

    So, let's be clear before I start on this. Are you going to follow it through, answering my questions etc., or are you going to quit as soon as the going gets tough?

    My first question is a simple one: at what time of day did the Mansfield UFO encounter take place?
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'll answer whatever I feel like answering.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    So you're reneging on your commitment to post what you regard is a compelling UFO case that you are willing to examine in detail?

    Do you not even know the time that the incident occurred?
     
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    Ah. Interesting.

    It does raise some problems with the "extra witnesses" you linked to in post #2 of this thread, though.

    It should be pointed out right from the start that no independent witnesses came forward until 3 years after the incident, and then only after it had been widely publicised in the press.

    Was the sun setting at 11 pm at night, then?

    Or did Brian see something long before the incident with helicopter?

    In case there's any doubt about Brain's timeline, we are told that Glenn saw the UFO "later that night".

    I wonder why Glenn was working at Mansfield Tire at 11 pm at night, along with a number of co-workers. It seems a little strange to me that they are all working late at the tire place.

    And we confirm that Glenn reported his "sighting" after he saw the news about it.

    So Judith saw something "earlier in the day". Note earlier in the day. Not "earlier in the night". So, if she saw something, it is apparently unconnected with the 11 pm helicopter incident - just like Brian's sighting is unconnected.

    Was Kiser - a 13 year old kid - really working in the back yard with his sister at 11 pm at night? Does that strike you as a little strange? Like the guys all working away at the tire shop at 11 pm at night?

    Also, it is interesting that Kiser describes the "craft" as "oval-shaped", when the pilot of the helicopter on the video in the opening post describes it as "cigar shaped". So who is right and who is wrong?

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    None of these "extra witnesses" seem to be reliable.

    And we haven't even started on the pilot and crew of the helicopter yet.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know why seeing a ufo earlier in the evening or the day is necessarily a different ufo from the one seen that night. Do you have enough data to draw that conclusion? Also questioning what people were doing outside at night is irrelevant. That's what they were doing. Outside things. There is no evidence of lying or fakery here.

    There's enough leeway in this shape to qualify as both oval and cigar shape.

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  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Next question: Magical Realist, can you confirm that the helicopter was a Cessna 182 Skylane?
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Why? What does that have to do with anything?
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It would certainly be helpful if we could confirm that multiple "witnesses" were all looking at the same thing. There is significant doubt about that here.

    If the timelines don't make sense, then it does suggest possibly lies or fakery. Simple mistake is another possibility.

    Oh, I see. It's all a big vague, is it?

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    Also found this from one of the "witnesses", Lee Kiser:

    I too remember this happening very well, me and my sister were in the back yard working when we saw this craft with red lights almost like hoovering around in the sky, me being 13 and my sidter being about 30 she told me not to say anything about it, so until now 2013 I kept it to myself,
    So this event happened in 1973, and Lee took until 40 years later to publically say anything about it.

    I guess you'll have an excuse for that.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    He explains it himself:


    "my sister being about 30 she told me not to say anything about it, so until now 2013 I kept it to myself,"
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'm just saying that this "witness" would have been more credible if he had come forward at the time, not 40 years after the event and 40 years after the event had been well publicised and mythologised.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    So you're saying you don't know?
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Did the helicopter in the incident have green-tinted windows at all?
     

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