made other/ in a state of being ill at ease

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by Cyrus the Great, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. Cyrus the Great Registered Senior Member

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    Although we
    are not all in physical pain or mental anguish all the time, we do exist primarily
    in a state of being ill at ease in the world, of being alienated, “made other.”


    Hi. Would anyone possibly explain the followings kindly in elaborate?

    in a state of being ill at ease in the world

    “made other.”

    Many thanks
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    "Ill at ease" is an idiom which means nervous or uncomfortable, due to being different from the other people in the group in a way that causes misunderstanding, disapproval, suspicion, etc. I would be ill at ease in a group of Muslim Afghanis, because I don't speak Dari and I'm not religious.

    This is a strange idiom; probably one of the many weird phrases created by religious people. The original statement defines it for you: to be made other is to be alienated.

    Again, if I were in Afghanistan I would feel alienated because I would literally be an alien there! The fact that I have so little in common with those people "makes" me "other" than them.
     
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  5. Cyrus the Great Registered Senior Member

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    Well done. Thank you so much.

    However, I have just seen in some sites and in your opinion that you use such constructions:


    "To be made "other is" to be alienated."

    PRAISE FOR A Tendency" to Be Gone." (http://www.dzancbooks.org/a-tendency-to-be-gone/)
    I wonder when/where we can use:

    I mean what is the difference between( to made and to be made)?
    TO+ BE+ P.P.

    Thanks in advance
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    "To be made other", is a metaphor.
    It means that you are excluded.
    As on a form, where you tick the options for your ethnic group.
    If you don't belong to any of them, you tick "other".
    If no-one will accept you as part of their group, they are figuratively making you "other".

    It isn't a common phrase.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    There is another phrase.
    "To be in a state of otherness."
    That is the strange dislocated feeling that you get in a new and exciting place, that you are somehow new yourself, or living in a dream.


    Otherness.
    from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
    n. The quality or condition of being other or different, especially if exotic or strange: "We're going to see in Europe ... religion, royalty, picturesqueness, otherness” ( Anatole Broyard).


    https://www.wordnik.com/words/otherness

    This is a rare word, and not likely to come up in any exam.

    You are lucky to have Fraggle helping you.
    He is a patient teacher.
     
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  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The difference is that "to be made" is right and "to made" is wrong.

    The past participle of a transitive verb (a verb that takes an object) can serve as an adjective.

    French is spoken in Montreal. French is a spoken language in Canada.

    Swahili is not an official language in Canada. Swahili is not to be spoken in official situations.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    'tis strange but I would interpret the phrase "made other" in the context given:
    as to be become other than myself, to need to be someone else to be included.

    "The true me is excluded from being included, I have to be someone else other than me to be included."


    just thoughts...
     
  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    There are two sides of the brain. The left brain processes data in a differential way, while the right brain processes data in an integral way. Like in calculus, differentiation defines the slope at a point on a curve, while integration, defines the area under the curve from A to B.

    The above statement is an artifact of the modern conscious mind being mostly conscious within the left brain. The right brain still works but is more unconscious. This situation will create conscious perception of being different and unique; we see ourselves as a unique slope at a point on the curve called humanity.

    If the conscious mind was more centered in the right brain, one would feel they are a part of a larger integration.

    Based on what we know, one could infer, that the pre-humans, defined as the more natural humanoids before civilization, where more right brained. They could not yet differentiate reality for the needs of civilization, but were still integrated with nature and instincts via right brain. As the brain gained energy (divine spark) and consciousness migrated toward the left brain, consciousness begins to see itself as separated and isolated, due to the way the left side of the brain processes data. The integration with instinct becomes less conscious and this begins to change.

    In Judeo-Christian symbols the tree of knowledge of good and evil is left brained. This symbol is about the conscious migration. Law will help differentiate behavior, but it does not integrate the individual within themselves. Rather it attempts to integrate one outside themselves, via culture. The alienation remains since this is an internal feeling.

    The tree of life is more right brained and integrated one within themselves. One feels internally and externally integrated, but not based on the differential of a culture but via the integration within the right brain. The next step in human evolution will be migration back to the right brain while retaining access to the left brain. This takes more brain energy. Theoretically, it brings the internal integration to the differential side of the brain, defining culture in ways that allows the feeling of alienation to disappear; paradise.
     

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