Machines Evolved Into Microbes, Then ...

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Dredd, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Dredd has several problems. Many of them relate to communication skills, or rather to the lack of them. For example, he chooses to say that we have evolved from machines. This is a particular and uncommon use of the word machine. It has been used in this context before, but then it has been done with careful context setting, definition, explanation and justification. To use it casually and presumptuously as Dredd has done is foolish and counterproductive. One hopes he may learn from his mistake, but a readig of his blogs suggests this is unlikely.
     
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  3. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    Machines evolved into microbes, Then . . . he woke up (and learned not to capitalise after a comma).

    Your use of the word "machine" needs defining. Biomachine? Protobiological machine? Genetic machine? Genetic computer? You need to define your specific meaning.
     
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  5. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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  7. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    True Science is Not Pseudoscience

    The president of The American Society of Microbiology is quoted in the series, which also now has the post Hypothesis: Microbes Generate Toxins of Power, which has to do with biology, genetics, brain development, and human behavior.

    Not to mention microbe - human symbiosis.

    If you high school kids would study current science a bit more you would not appear so ignorant.

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  8. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Human Version A vs Human Version B?

    This is really astronomical, cosmological, and exobiological in the sense that microbes could exist "out there" and could be "in here" too:

    "But there’s a growing consensus among scientists that the relationship between us and our microbes is much more of a two-way street. With new technologies that allow scientists to better identify and study the organisms that live in and on us, we’ve become aware that bacteria, though tiny, are powerful chemical factories that fundamentally affect how the human body functions. They are not simply random squatters, but organized communities that evolve with us and are passed down from generation to generation. Through research that has blurred the boundary between medical and environmental microbiology, we’re beginning to understand that because the human body constitutes their environment, these microbial communities have been forced to adapt to changes in our diets, health, and lifestyle choices. Yet they, in turn, are also part of our environments, and our bodies have adapted to them. Our dinner guests, it seems, have shaped the very path of human evolution." (Link).

    Where microbes came from (one cosmic location? multiple cosmic locations?) may have affected their evolution and may, therefore, be evolving different "human" species that really are not the same at all. We can only see about 10% of ourselves, seeing as how we are about 90% microbe, 10% human cells.

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  9. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Dear High School Kids

    Finally the high school kids went to bed, and a reasonable mind showed up.

    The definition of "machine" was dealt with in my quote & link above. It comes from a distinguished scientist, which is why the punk high school kids derided him:

    "Monash University's Professor Trevor Lithgow said the breakthrough, funded by the Australian Research Council and published recently in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, provides a blueprint for a general understanding of the evolution of the "machinery" of our cells.

    "Our cells, and the cells of all organisms, are composed of molecular machines."

    So the high school kids above thread don't start playing with themselves again, I won't link to my blog, but will link directly to the Science Daily Article I quote from on my blog post. Anything for the kids. :bugeye:

    When those high school kids get to college they will learn that biological life came after planets, which came after molecules, which came after atoms, the elements (See Introduction To Exobiology).

    So, lets use the definition of "machines" the adults at universities use, which is contained in my quote above, as well as my quote upthread: "molecular machines".

    Ok? :shrug:
     
  10. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    True Spidergoat

    As a matter of fact, the definition of "human" is up for revision, so you are ahead of the game by not diverting to the whine about "machine".

    Good job.

    The definition of human, is a more ultimate concern now that organic is around to replace concern for "machine".
     
  11. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Read this about pseudoscience and the confusion generated about it by pseudointellectual pseudoscientists. :bugeye:
     
  12. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Read up on exobiology, one of the sections here, when you graduate high school and get to the big place. :crazy:
     
  13. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Yep, they call it Fraggle sometimes, sometimes not. :shrug:
     
  14. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    You speak of something that is in its infancy (at best) as though it were a 100% proven hard science.

    All of your links are to your own blog, which is not really a reliable source. I've read your posts and the papers your posts come from and it is speculative at best, and misleading at worst.

    We really have no idea how the human micro-biome system really works. At this point, except for in some special situations that may only apply to specific people with a specific micro-biome ecology in their gut, they may just be along for the ride.

    The human body is a self contained system and bacteria are almost not required. As far as we currently know we can process every vitamin, and mineral EXCEPT for vitamin K without our little gut free loaders.

    But, I'm am very open to be being proven wrong so provide me links to full blown, peer reviewed scientific articles that include actual scientific research and experiments that prove their point.

    Oh yeah, and saying "Open your mind" and telling me to get my shit together is not a valid response, sorry.
     
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    Your statement "We really have no idea" says it all.

    Why don't you read the experimental evidence in the papers I cite to that show "we" do know enough for world renown microbiologists to say "these findings call for a complete re-examination of human physiology and immunology" as well as "our results suggest that the microbial colonization process initiates signaling mechanisms that affect neuronal circuits involved in motor control and anxiety behavior".

    It seems that the truth is that "we" don't want to know.
     
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  17. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Your response bears no relation to my assertion that your communication skills are seriously deficient, other than demonstrating that your communication skills are seriously deficient. Your arguments may be valid. Your presentation of them is juvenile and defective.
     
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    Microbes Are But a Joke

    "Your arguments may be valid."

    So why the sneer review Black Knight in place of the peer review?

    Science is worth a missing dot on an "i", or a missing cross on a "T" to many of us who do not think that life is but a joke.

    BTW, they are not my arguments.
     
  20. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    James, this thread belongs in pseudoscience or the cesspool.
     
  21. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Free Microbiology Lecture

    There is a free lecture by a professor at a university where students have won several Nobel Prizes in Science in the link below.

    One was for discovering one of the most abundant life forms, a microbe type unknown until his discovery of them in the 1980's.

    The video is of an actual class at that University in case any high school kids want to know want it is really like to get into science.

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    This link explains why those microbe types were not discovered until 1980.
     
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  22. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Woody Allen's ten best jokes?



    MODS Please move this thread to pseudoscience.
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Here is a suggestion. Why not try to communicate something clearly. Start by explaining a) what relevance this quoted passage has to the discussion. b) what the **** does it mean?



    As above.



    Then what are they?
     

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