Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by Mazulu, Jun 19, 2012.
The only evidence I see is that you are a pin head.
Arguing with a crank is useless.
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'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and Inertial Backreaction'
"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the 'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter.
The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).
'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."
The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.
'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."
The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.
'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"
The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark matter is aether.
'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."
"mass of the aether"
'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."
'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."
'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of the presence of the background field"
What is your level of familiarity with these papers and how did you get to this point in your convictions?
What are the consequences of the proposed modifications of Newton's second law in regard to entropy in the above paper?
By intuition I first understood gravity is space pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter. I realized there could be confusion between three dimensional space and that which occupies three dimensional space. Since it is that which physically occupies three dimensional space which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter which is gravity I now understand it is the aether which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter which is gravity.
None that I am aware of.
Let's go back a step. Have you read and do you understand the paper I referenced? Why don't you know the consequences related to modifications proposed to Newton's dynamics, vs. the current dark matter explanation?
"According to astronomical observations the amount of mass that can be identified in the universe accounts for only a small percentage of the gravitational force that acts on galaxies and other galactic systems. Galaxies’ rotation curves show that they do not spin according to Newtonian dynamics; they spin considerably faster. While the standard cosmological model argues dark matter may explain the discrepancies, modification of Newtonian dynamics has been proposed [4, 5] as a means of explaining the discrepancy."
Do you see the implications of that in discussing aether theory?
Relativistc mass is the mass of the matter and the mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the matter which is displaced by the matter. If you account for this total mass you get the galaxies' rotation curves to show they do spin according ot Newonian dynamics.
So aether has mass and matter has mass, and ... And little lambs eat ivy. No, just kidding.
Let me start over. So aether has mass, mass is condensed or compressed aether and so it of course has mass, and the combination of the mass of the aether displaced by matter, and the matter itself, is the relativistic mass; right?
Now I understand how matter has mass since matter is affected by gravity, but I don't see how aether has mass? Can you explain how?
And if matter is affected by other mass, and the aether is mass too, why don't we have a quick and final big crunch?
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
The Universe is, or our local Universe is in, a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
OK, so the black hole that is emitting the polar jet is the result of that big collapse of aether and matter form a previous cycle; is yours a cyclical cosmology? Is there an explanation for how the jet can be emitted by a final collapse; how does it overcome the totality of gravity of a final big crunch were the universe has fallen into a final dense state? Obviously new physics? Are there more than one of these systems of was my conclusion of the aether/matter final collapse correct leaving only one system operating in the universe at a time?
Big Ongoing meaning a perpetual universal jet system that spews out dark energy and aether and it condenses and maneuvers out and around and back into the black hole? Just one system that is perpetually refreshing itself by spewing out dark eneregy, condensing it into matter and capturing matter back in the black hole to be converted to spewing dark energy? Dark energy is aether?
Dark energy is aether emitted into the universal jet.
There is no evidence of a before the universal jet. Not that there is or isn't a before the universal jet. Just that there is no evidence of a before the universal jet.
It's been that way for g_a's 330 posts, and the mods don't seem to care, so I wouldn't count on anything being done.
Everything is aether, aether is everything and aether is nothing. It pushes, it pulls, it displaces, it pressurizes, it "sloshes" and it waves. Put it in a beaker with your cilantro and tomatoes and you'll discover it slices, dices, minces, cores, peels and pares. That's the problem with the robot minions of the science mainstream, BTW, they have no sense of cuisine.
Aether transcends all rules, and also makes its own laws as it goes. The illiterati ruling class of science simply can't wrap their minds around it, because of their ignorant shallow plastic fantastic rote repetitious indoctrination into dogmatic propaganda brainwashing tactics of academia that strips them of all of their individuality and their ability to think outside the cosmic box. Anyone who ever actually went to college (which excludes g_a, who has literally inhaled the print right off his textbooks and was magically made a Time Lord and Supreme Commander of the Universe) surely remembers how stifling and restrictive college was, how depersonalizing, dogmatic and rigid. g_a knows this because he can see into our minds as we reflect on the horror of that cruel and traumatic time in our lives.
Of course there's hope for the Prodigal Sons and Daughters of wayward dogma. They simply need to step into the room marked "No Exit" (where g_a is busily machine gun pasting random topics) and get down on their knees and vow never to be no naive and stupid again.
The next step here, I think, is to rewrite Maxwells equations, to bring electromagnetics and gravitation to full flower under the generous tutelage of Monsieur Bonaparte of the Heliosphere. Then and only then will we truly appreciate all he has done for all of his ignorant little children. And then and only then will Maxwell's equations receive their first actual correction and re-normalization in over 100 years. At that point we will be in such shock and awe no one will care about books any more.
Duh, aether has mass.
"In several parts of this treatise an attempt has been made to explain electromagnetic phenomena by means of mechanical action transmitted from one body to another by means of a medium occupying the space between them. The undulatory theory of light also assumes the existence of a medium. We have now to shew that the properties of the electromagnetic medium are identical with those of the luminiferous medium." - Maxwell
Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether.
Can I assume that you take no ownership of these ideas, and are just conveying them to us from the sources that you have identified?
No, this simply reflects ignorance of Maxwell's equations and what he was speaking about here. Even if your statement were true, it would discredit everything you've said, since Maxwell was only talking about his lack of understanding regarding light propagation. Hence 'luminiferous'. Whether you accept or deny Maxwell, your ideas are toast, since Maxwell never proposed that aether accounts for anything more than light transmission. In any case, Maxwell abandoned this traditional idea around the time he realized that light is a form of electromagnetic radiation. All you are doing is inventing your own myths, to explain phenomena for which you have no science. This is why people go to school--to rid themselves of their self-inflicted superstitions and myths, by drawing from the pool of knowledge that has accumulated over all of human experience. So try school. It will dispel all of your demons in about 5 minutes, and you can move on to learning Freshman science.
You can wave your voodoo doll over Maxwells' grave til you're blue in the face. None of your superstition and myth will reanimate the luminiferous aether, and none of has anything to do with the tripe you're selling in this thread. If it did, you could write just one of Maxwell's equations and explain where and how it involves anything other than charge, time and space, from which fields and waves arise alone, with their attendant forces. Charge, time and space, and no other cause whatsoever.
Therefore, Maxwell has proven that there is no aether, and by citing him you have indicted yourself, leaving your posts bare naked and flapping in the wind, without even a single equation to support them. Post one equation, and explain it in your own words. You can't, because you have no math, do you?
There is no way to change gravitational_aether/mpc7555 mind on this. His ideas are not based on anything logical or scientific therefore logic and science cannot be used to show him his error. He believes in his ideas with a religious fevor and there is no swaying him. If Einstein, Maxwell and Newton were to rise from the grave and tell him his ideas were wrong he would dismiss them as hacks. If God were to descend from heaven with a host of angles and tell g_a his ideas are wrong, g_a would point out that God just did not realize when he created the universe that the space he created is actually filled with aether.
AlexG says "arguing with a crank is useless", and gravitational_aether is the poster child for this concept.
Maxwell says, "the properties of the electromagnetic medium are identical with those of the luminiferous medium". This means the electromagnetic medium is the luminiferous medium. The luminferous medium is the aether. Therefore, the electromagnetic medium is the aether. Therefore, Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein
The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which propagates light referred to by Einstein
I can tell you are having fun with the aether, and I do too. I don't look at it as something that you have to convince anyone else of, and I post my ideas as Pseudoscience and don't deny being deluded and the trolls either leave me alone or get ignored, while you are more intent on changing the minds of the scientific community. No one in that community is going for a physical cause of gravity or a mechanical explanation for how it works without some testable hypothesis. Mathematics is sufficient for them. But if you are going to have a story and you want to promote it, at least make it seem like something feasible. Jets from a giant black hole is supposed to be able to give us the Hubble view we have? There is too much wrong with that. And the concept of gravity being the aether pushing down on matter that is displacing it, and that matter is condensed aether, and that aether is the spewing dark energy of the jets; even one as deluded as I am is not going close to that. And your answers to my questions are evasive. Until you get responsive and explain how I could be wrong about these things and what your involvement or interest in the papers and links is or what your motivation is for drawing from other peoples papers and piecing together your unconvincing story, I'll just have to concede to you my title as most deluded.
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