Logical proof of a deistic "God"

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  1. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    The Electric and Magnetic Forces are undoubtedly “action at a distance” forces what cannot be denied. This means that a “Physics System” would exist “running” the Physics Laws on the elementary particles. This leaves us to think in a mathematically based Universe that would “run” in some kind of “Universal Supra-computer”. There's no other way possible!

    The proof of the existence of a deistic "God" follows quite obviously:
    Some kind of "Superior Intelligence" must have 1) built the “Universal Supra-computer” machine, 2) programmed the Physics Laws in the machine and 3) setted the numerical values of the parameters of the Physics Laws.
    That "Superior Intelligence" can be called the "God" of the Universe in its deistic conceptualization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism).
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

    a philosophical position which posits that a god does not interfere directly with the world.

    Well they got that part right at least for the past 2,000 years

    BUT

    where does the obvious part come in?

    And I didn't see any logic in the ramblings

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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It becomes "obvious" when you extract the essence of the "logic":

    If we assume that
    the universe is a constructed artifact,
    then it follows that
    there must be an entity that constructed it.

    It's a trivial truism.
     
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  7. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    That neither logical nor proof.

    You are essentially saying that since 1 coulomb of charge always has the same electric field strength there must be a God. Uh, no.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I knew that
    I was trying to find out if martillo did

    From the link posted in original post

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

    Deism

    is a philosophical position which posits that a god does not interfere directly with the world. It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge with the conclusion that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creatorof the universe

    Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment

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    It's logical the intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment had a lot of free time to sit around and pontificate about how smart they were instead of getting busy and doing some real work and start building CERN

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  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Reminds me of singular eternity.
     
  10. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    DaveC426913 got the point. It has logic.
     
  11. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    That's what is missing nowadays and particularly in forums: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment. For instance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes.
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    It's obvious he doesn't as per



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  13. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Dave was not supporting you silly contention.
     
  14. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    He got the point.
     
  15. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    And the point is if you assume a baseless idea is true then anything that logically follows from that is also baseless.
     
  16. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    Is not baseless. I gave the reason of why I consider the existence of a "Universal Supra-computer" and is that is strictly necessary to implement the concepts of particles' "action at a distance" or "fields" if you prefer. I mean by "implement" for them to actually work in reality.
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    "Intelligent design", why not just say it?
     
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  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    But you did not say who built and programmed this super dooper computer

    Who decided the parameters?

    Have you a estimate of how many lines of code?

    Does the Universe have the equivalent of the Blue Screen of Death?

    Is the tech support based in India?

    If I call them do I get "Have you tried rebooting it?

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  19. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    Well, as far as I know, for "intelligent design" it is referred to the intelligent creation of beings in this world but more related to religious beliefs like man made from mud. That is not the case.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I think you're lying.
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    So after your
    2 and 3 are same same

    do you think Physics Laws produced life?

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  22. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    Well, you are just wrong. I'm not.
     
  23. martillo Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I think that the physics laws and parameters values produce some kind of tendency in molecular arrangments which if other environmental conditions are the right ones life can sourge "spontaneously" in a progressively manner begining with basic constructions like some aminoacids which would in some unknown way could have the tendency to combine to some elementary forms of life not yet known or recognized. I mean, If I'm not wrong the most basic recognized form of life would be some prokaryotes cells but I believe other more elementary forms should exist to complete a natural and progressive development of life. Of course evolution takes place in all forms of organisms but I think that if some kind of tendencies could be present in progressive molecular arrangments some types of lifeforms could be predetermined at least in some characteristics which would lead to the different species of beings. The deistic "God" of the Universe design would be in the adjustment of the basic physics' parameters values to produce the kind of projected living organisms and kind of life.
     

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