Live Baby thrown in Garbage at Abortion Clinic

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  1. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    The thing the pro- "let's screw women"ers for get is just how bad things were back when abortion was illegal.
     
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  3. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    That little baby might have been a new Hitler, so good riddance.
     
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  5. donna2010 Registered Member

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    I think it is not okay. It is killing no matter what way you look at it. I am 23 weeks pg. I can feel this baby kick and move and he sleeps. It is a baby it has legs and arms and eyes and fingernailes. This baby you guys are talking about rather he/she was born alive or still in the womb it is still a baby. But the fact this baby was out of the womb breathing and stuffed into a plastic bag and put in the trash like it was some bad left over food or something that is just unhuman. I say don't want to get pg. DO NOT HAVE SEX. GUESS WHAT WHEN you have sex guess what happens or what could happen BABY. My husband and myself did not want a baby right now but or first tought was okay lets prepare. Not Lets go kill this unborn child.
     
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  7. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Don't talk shit. There is a difference between a baby and some tissues. Yes, that thing was a baby. But when you have an abortion at 2/3 months, you're not killing anyone. You're getting rid of some fucking bio material.
     
  8. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: I don't know if this has been brought up, but a fetus generally does not have civil rights until it is born. An abortion (at any stage) generally does not afford a fetus civil rights. Civil rights do not occur until that individual is a citizen. In the current climate of mass immigration into this country, that now has become *debatable.*

    Note: I am a proponent for non-citizens to be afforded civil rights once they enter this country. Just because we failed to keep them out, the onus falls on the United States of America.

    *I don't want to argue this. I may not get back to this forum for a while.*
     
  9. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: I just want to say, however crudely this may be taken, that if a woman has an abortion, and the product of that conception is discarded (but then happens to breathe), well shit happens even at abortion clinics.

    Some clinics dispose of the products of conception in more ethically acceptable ways, and others do not. State laws apply, so maybe this clinic was just doing business as usual.

    Note: I do not want to argue this. I'm just making a point.
     
  10. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    just because you don't agree with her does not mean she's talking shit. what she's saying actually makes a lot of sense, it just doesn't mesh with a lot of people's whims.
     
  11. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Man why is it the idea of tossing a newborn baby in the garbage causes me to burst out laughing?
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    And you wonder why you don't have a boyfriend.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Unborn living babies - by the pro-life definition of "baby" - have been thrown into the garbage, flushed down the toilet, and otherwise discarded without ceremony, by the tens of thousands for hundreds of years.

    By everyone - every single provider of medical care of any kind.

    In many different circumstances, including abortion.

    All of a sudden this is a problem?
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    interesting
    at what stage do you suppose Gianna Jessen was afforded rights .... or do you think she remains an illegal immigrant?
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    rage is a common consequence of persons who can't/won't exhibit accountability for their actions
     
  16. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    :bravo:

    wow, some objectivity. that's refreshing.
     
  17. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Clearly this woman is a citizen of the United States. You, on the other hand, are illegally ignorant wherever you live.
     
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    your approximations of my nature aside, how do you deem this woman a citizen by your standard measure that a fetus, regardless whether it is aborted or not, is not a citizen and is thus not afforded civil rights?
     
  19. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: A fetus does not have individual citizenship rights until it is born live. This individual was, in fact, born live and, therefore, a citizen by right. An aborted fetus usually dies (that is the purpose) and does not have rights of citizenship unless it should, perhaps, live.

    Different states have different laws governing the methods of disposing the products of conception. California laws regarding abortion is quite liberal in that there is no maximum gestational age determined by law. California law may permit the disposal of a fetus in the trash). (One would have to determine legally what is meant by "trash.") I don't know. I believe that had the fetus been allowed to be disposed of, it would not have lived. Extra measures were taken to make ensure Gianna lived. IOW, a woman could have an abortion at anytime during her pregnancy, which means literally up to the natural birth of that individual. Texas law limits abortion up to the 26th week of gestation.

    Gianna lived after being aborted, so the fact that she lived, afforded her the right to citizenship. Aborted fetuses do not have citizenship. This was a rare case. How do you think other fetuses aborted in California at much later gestations don't happen to live? I don't even want to tell you what they do to these babies who are aborted just before they are born (in California, Kansas, New York, and elsewhere).
     
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  20. donna2010 Registered Member

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    I was not talking shit what so ever.



    These are links to 3 1/2 to 4 weeks (1) link the (2) link shows a baby at 24-26 weeks I looked up it says you have to be at least 3 1/2 weeks no more than 26. But look does this look like bio tissues.

    Just because you think its okay And I do not it does not mean I am talking shit it just means I think that little baby has a right to live. Women say its there body yes it is.But there is a little body inside of that woman that do not get a choice. How fair is it to make that choice for that baby. I say give the baby up to family that can't have children. Lay on your back enjoying the sex but are you thinking oh maybe I can get pregnant And If I do not want kids right now not to have sex. Or if you do not have the wants to have kids ever get fixed. Instead of oh sex feels good oppes got pregnant what do I do now. I adimt I had sex with my husband he is the only guy I have been with. Cause of the fact of I didnt want kids yet. But 2 years later got pregnant. And we did not want a baby right now we did not think we were ready. But how is it that the feeling of not being ready or not wanting a baby right now that I did not want to get a abortion to end life Its not my right to end no life. IF you agree or not thats my choice. Now my baby is giong to have that chance to live to walk to live life to smile at something funny. Or say I love you mommy. You look around at small children and little ones. Think if every mother ended that child life you wouldn't be here if your mother didnt want you . I do not know what they did to that child was unhuman. They took that baby watch him/her take there first breath stuff him/her into a plastic bag and put it in a tin with the rest of the trash. Think what you want of me I am just the voice the little baby in everywoman that wants there chance to live give them a choice. It just breaks my heart to see life ended b4 they had real chance at life. My baby right now is moving around in my belly kicking. I read at this moment 23 weeks his eyes are now opening and he can hear our voices. But he would be happy to know his mama is not going to kill him.

    So talking shit NO its more like standing up for him and every baby that can't say NO PLEASE DON'T KILL ME I WANT TO LIVE.
     
  21. donna2010 Registered Member

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    This week your baby has an amazing growth spurt. At the beginning of this week, your baby is approximately 4 to 5 mm and by the end of the week it has more than doubled to 11 to 13 mm! Your baby weights approximately 0.03 ounces. Most women are ready for the world to know they are pregnant. Even though you have not changed very much yet, it will come soon! You might have gained a small amount of weight by now, but it should only be a couple of pounds at this time. It is not unusual to lose a few pounds or remain the same though. Internally, cervical mucus is thickening and will form a plug in the cervical canal. The plug seals your cervix throughout the pregnancy and it will be expelled prior to delivery when your cervix begins to dilate.

    Your baby's leg and arm buds are longer now and they have divided into segments where the hands and feet will be. The hands and feet also have an area where the fingers and toes will begin to form. At this point of your pregnancy, the heart is bulging from the body and it has divided into right and left chambers. The brain's hemispheres are continuing to grow and the air passages into the lungs are visible. Your baby's eyes are beginning to get pigment. The nose is developing and the beginning of the face can be seen. The baby's abdomen is developing quickly and the appendix and pancreas are already present. Your baby's digestive tract is beginning to form and the hindgut is present. The shape of the talk can still be seen, but it will fade in 3 or 4 weeks.
     
  22. donna2010 Registered Member

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    This week your baby's crown-to-rump length is around 8.4 inches and your baby will weigh approximately 1.2 pounds. Although it weighs a little over a pound at this point, your growing baby is still tiny. Your uterus can easily be felt 1.5 to 2 inches above your bellybutton. The fetus does not appear to have much room in the uterus anymore, but as your pregnancy progresses, space gets much tighter!

    Because your uterus is expanding and putting a great amount of pressure on your abdomen, you might get stretch marks. Your weight gain may also be taking a toll on your body at this point. Many pregnant women experience backaches, bladder problems, sore feet and fatigue that affect their daily routines. You might also have some nasal stuffiness or nosebleeds.

    Your baby's face is basically complete now. The fetus's eyes are close together on the front of his face and they are still shut. Your baby's ears have moved into their final position on the sides of his head. Where they are now is where they will be when your baby is born! Hair will continue to grow on his scalp and his eyelashes are well developed. Most of your baby's features look the same as they will at birth. Because your growing baby is getting plumper, he no longer has room in your tummy to do cartwheels and somersaults.
     
  23. donna2010 Registered Member

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    No didn't forget It shouldn't have been okay then eaither. But abortion is just now safe for the mother. Back then when mothers and dr. That didn't know what the hell they were doing. Was harmfull to the baby and the mother. Now the baby just dies and the mother will be okay and be able to live a happy long good life.
     
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