Life soul purpose

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by terra2, Jun 1, 2001.

  1. glaucon tending tangentially Moderator

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    Teleology: a natural theory arguing that all things 'behave' with purpose, towards a particular end. Most prominent in the works of Aristotle, and therefore the basis of most contemporary scientific methods.

    Basically all I was saying is that the assumption was made that there is, or has to be a purpose to the soul, or life or both together.

    Just playing Devil's advocate.
     
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  3. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    That clears it up ...

    Thanks for the feed-back, glaucon.

    Go to it and have fun. Just don't jump on the Greenies.

    (all though, considering some of the positions already
    taken, I don't think the Devil needs an advocate)
     
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  5. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    All Life, Has Purpose and Meaning!

    Yes you as a human in the human-race has a 'higher' purpose and a 'higher' calling then of the animal kingdom! [To the Glory of GOD!] And a greater meaning to each individual that ever lived, created in the Creator's image! Far more then being an 'mega-distant' offspring of a monkey's uncle!

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    And to that an ETERNAL purpose!

    So let the wheat grow with the tares! It will all work out in the END.

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  7. glaucon tending tangentially Moderator

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    Re: All Life, Has Purpose and Meaning!

    LOL

    I'm sorry. I thought this was to be a serious discussion, not one of fantasy.

    The mind is a terrible thing to waste. (on faith)
     
  8. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Loone - the village idiot

    glaucon,

    Hi and welcome. Don't worry about Loone, you can safely ignore him, he is our local village idiot. None of the rational members here take him seriously.

    He lives entirey in a faith based dreamworld- and as you rightly observe - what a waste.

    Cris
     
  9. novice Registered Member

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    I'd just like to sing a few words from a Pink Floyd song. " We're all just lost souls, swimming in a fish bowl year after year.....la la la....Comfortably numb..."
    That one's for Sir Loone.
    novice.
     
  10. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    hey all

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  11. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Re: All Life, Has Purpose and Meaning!

    Glaucon:

    This is about realty and is it is the truth about human existence! Even the animals of the animal Kingdom has purpose and meaning to there existence!

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    To the Glory of GOD! It is the fact of all existence, and the whole universe!

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    The Bible is very real and factual then you,[ that head or heart is blocked with pride] could presently see! (blinded) But you and all are created by the Creator for a far higher purpose then to reconstitute the ground!

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    (fertilizer) or (worm food) ! No life and the truth of GOD's Holy Words are not fables, but history and truth of our existence! To the Glory of GOD!

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    This is serious, about why you are here[on Earth] and what purpose and meaning you serve in life and life it self.
     
  12. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Loone Saved by The Grace of GOD

    Hi Cris!

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    You know you are the 'fool' here, "for the fool has said in his heart, there is no God." And the fool and there folly shell soon pass away, but the Righteous shell dwell in the House of the Lord (Jesus) forever! You still have time to come to Jesus for the forgiveness of sins!
    Fools!
    "The blind leads the blind, and both shall fall into the ditch!"

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    Don't be deceived by your own lies, Chris and others, the truth is my Faith in GOD is based entirely on the Word of GOD which is the ultimate Truth. And you are on sinking sand! (Quick sand) or a (sink hole)

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    You have no real foundation except in a lie.

    And great will be the fall of them that believes in a lie!
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    the Soul of Nothingness

    The truth is, Sir ZenJeep Loone that you've dug yourself an interesting hole.
    Neither of these can you demonstrate as a stand-alone reality. Nor can you demonstrate them concurrently. We realize that your faith in God is entirely your choice, and thus so is the behavior that results from that faith.

    And there is another thing which seems to slip your grasp: Your example of Christian faith demonstrates it to be the supertitions of the ingnorant. Now, this is just fine, when compared to history; after all, the church has always targeted the least-educated members of society because they're easiest to fleece. But it should be noted that this appeal to ignorance and superstition is exactly what discredits the legitimacy of the faith itself: it refuses to examine itself because it is cognitively incapable.

    In two thousand years, the cornerstone arguments upholding Christianity have never changed, and never proven true. To the other, the meaning of those cornerstone arguments still isn't clear to the faithful. The evidence indicates that none of your statements in your last post (and most of your others) have anything to support them bur your own arrogance, as evidenced by such a shamefully childish post.

    --Tiassa

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  14. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    The evil of atheism?

    Loone,

    Why not include the full quote.

    So all atheists are pretty bad huh?

    Jesus, of course, a paradigm of love and compassion, orders that nonbelievers will be thrown “into the furnace of fire” where “men will weep and gnash their teeth,” just as “the weeds are gathered and burned with fire…” (Mathew 13.40-42).

    Plato (400 BCE) recommended 5 years of imprisonment for a first offence and death for the 2nd offence.

    Thomas Aquinas, from medieval times, taught, “The sin of unbelief is greater than any sin that occurs in the perversion of morals”. He recommended that such people be exterminated from the world by death” after the third offence.

    Indeed the persecution of atheists continues to this day. Even as recently as the early part of the 20th century it was illegal, in many US states, for atheists to testify in a court of law.

    So Loone, you should feel in good company in your accusations and condemnation of atheists. While I suspect you would strongly support my being put to death, assuming you have unquestioning belief in the words of Jesus, it is unfortunately not so easy these days. It must be very sad for you to see the continued erosion of the power for Christians to murder atheists. The idea of human rights must also be a difficult ideology for you to tolerate: This terrible idea that people should not be imprisoned or killed for expressing certain thoughts.

    But history shows that indeed the power of Christians to seriously repress and subvert the human rights of many people has dwindled very significantly. We have gone from the word of Jesus, 2000 years ago, who inspired Christians to kill atheists on sight, through medieval times where at least imprisonment was tried first, to the present time where in the past 5 years we have seen a rapid rise in organizations such as ‘The Atheist Alliance’ (a worldwide organization), and the ‘Freethought society’, and the organization for the ‘Freedom from religion’, and many more. But finally one of the last bastions of religious bias has begun to fall, politics, we now have an atheist Governor in the form of Jesse Ventura in Minnesota. It is but a beginning but it does show an inexorable trend.

    But why is this trend occurring? What has been happening throughout the past 2000 years that would erode the power of Christians to support indiscriminate murder and repression of the freedom of thought? I think the answer is very clear – knowledge and education, or in other words the erosion of widespread ignorance, and the increase in the understanding of the world. With this increase in knowledge comes compassion, laws, civilization, intolerance of tyranny, and reason.

    The conclusion is clear: Early Christianity and its eagerness for murder is equated with ignorance and terror, and with the decline of the Christian power of terror comes learning, understanding and wisdom.

    But of course as I am sure you will remind us: Wisdom, understanding, reason, are all the traits of Satan and must be despised by Christians, right?

    Cris
     
  15. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    The Word of GOD is True!

    Tiassa, your posts are of arrogance, errors , and the lie of the Devil that the Word of GOD is not founded on truth and is reality, that shows your ignorance of what you do not understand!

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    I stand in the Word of GOD and believe in what it says, and it is the "Inerrant Word of GOD", you have been greatly deceived of self and of Satan himself to make that statement about me and the Word of God! I am not prideful in my statements but to point to God who has given us the truth of the Holy Scriptures.
    But you are in your own pride , and God see's your pride as "filthy rages" or very dirty diapers, and so being very repulsive in His sight!

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    But as for me I am covered by the 'Blood of the Lame of GOD', that I have an advocate with the Father (God), my Great High Preast, who will forgive me of sins, and is faithful and just to forgive my sins! But you have only your self and the lies about our Faith in the Holy Scriptures, which lies that are foolishness and falsehoods of arrogant thinking !

    I sincerely believe in the truth of the Gospel, the Word of GOD and it is our (Christian) firm foundation!

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    I here and elsewhere when standing for my Faith in Jesus and His Word, do it not to please men but of GOD, by Faith! For with out Faith in God, it is impossible to please Him! Jesus Christ now lives in me! In Spirit, the Holy Spirit! And it is written that no power in Heaven or Earth or beneath could ever separate us (true Christians) from the Love of Jesus! You should check out the Word of God more carefully, and with an more open mind, there's more to this then an collection of words of old! Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and still can set you free from Satan's dominating strong-hole in you!

    Don't keep stumbling on your own lies about the Bible and it's truths, and my Faith in God' Words! Study more all of you, there is still far more then you think of the absolute truths of the Holy Bible!

    The mentioning of the Truth of God's Word as being "supertitions" is of pure ignorance, and your words have no that has no bases in realty! Wake up Tiassa! The[ Real ] Truth shell set you free! Standing on lies will cause a great fall!

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  16. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    The evil of Liers!

    Chris; All liars will have there part in the Lake of Fire! But only if one continues in that mind set of having nothing to do with God, and if unto there deaths they will have to each stand alone at the Great White Thrown of Judgement all by them selves! God is a loving and just God, and this is called the Age of Grace, 2000 years after Jesus's ascension in to Heaven God would give some people a life time to find Him in the knowledge of the truth (Word of God), but if they still reject even unto death they will have to face the Almighty God alone by them selves, without Jesus on there side, "It is a terrible thing, to fall into the hands of the Living GOD." So in this life time, some [unbelievers] will seem to live a long life, but after that the Judgment! Some may hear the Word of God and reject it, may die and go into eternity lost. Others may hear the Word of God and keep it in there hearts but will wander away, enticed by there own lust. But God is fair, He doesn't want 'robots', He wants you to come to Him by Faith and of your free will and calling of the Holy Spirit! It's not over for you until it's over in this life. In Heaven or in Hell one would still have the same personality but there is a big difference in ether place.

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  17. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    tiassa,

    He's becoming worse. I really didn't see much real attempt in his last two posts to refute our specific issues. It looks mostly like vacuous religious rhetoric.

    But I did have to do a little useful research putting my post together, so he has some value.

    Cris
     
  18. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    Life has purpose and meaning!

    Tiassa is 'stoned' alright, on drugs, alcohol and loud music!

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    Come out of your hole Tiassa! I stand for the truth!
    Have meaning and purpose to your existence among the living!
    All the UNIVERSE was created to the Glory of God! For His good pleaser, and ours!

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  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    So, Zenjeep

    Do you have a point other than childish deflection? I can just see you sitting in the middle of an empty room with your legs splayed out and your eyes shut, fists waving in the air, shouting to everyone: I'm right, dammit, and because I'm right I don't have to prove it! So all of you can go to hell! And you seem to wish it was so. Take a look at some of your statements:

    * your posts are of arrogance, errors , and the lie of the Devil that the Word of GOD is not founded on truth and is reality, that shows your ignorance of what you do not understand Ready? "Am not." "Are too." "Am not!" "Are too!"

    Okay, now that we're past that point, would you care to demonstrate your wisdom compared to my ignorance?

    Didn't think so.

    * I stand in the Word of GOD and believe in what it says, and it is the "Inerrant Word of GOD" ... Why do you believe in what it says, and what establishes it as the Inerrant Word of God?

    * you have been greatly deceived of self and of Satan himself to make that statement about me and the Word of God You cannot demonstrate the degree of that deception, the nature of that deception, nor if the deception even exists. I fully invite you to make the attempt; you can't possibly insult me by it--we're all waiting to see if you're capable of developing an argument that is either coherent or objective. We won't expect both at once, though. Wouldn't want to put the pressure on, after all. Wouldn't want to persecute you by disagreeing with your untestable theses.

    * I am not prideful in my statements but to point to God who has given us the truth of the Holy Scriptures.Loone, if ever there was evidence of God, that might have been it. The outright bullshit factor of that statement transcends humanity. Only a divine entity could generate that much crap with one sentence. Wow ... you almost did it there. I'll remind you that I'm not the one out cutting down souls for Jesus with a Sword of Spirit. You have demonstrated your excess pride with such a statement.

    * But you are in your own pride , and God see's your pride as "filthy rages" or very dirty diapers, and so being very repulsive in His sight!Says you. I didn't realize you were the Metatron.

    * But as for me I am covered by the 'Blood of the Lame Yes, Zenjeep, that you certainly are.

    * that I have an advocate with the Father (God), my Great High Preast, who will forgive me of sins, and is faithful and just to forgive my sinsSo you believe a book that tells you that you must believe it true or else you will be punished? Welcome to superstition. Demonstrate any of that feldergarb objectively. I dare you.

    * But you have only your self and the lies about our Faith in the Holy Scriptures, which lies that are foolishness and falsehoods of arrogant thinking ! Then I'm getting the hang of your faith: lies, foolishness, and falsehoods of arrogance. Come on, Zenjeep, don't you have anything better than your repeated tantrums?
    You know, if you do that on TV, people will send you millions. They're that dumb, y'know.

    And Zenjeep, Jesus may have been humble, but at some point the tenement gets to be too much. Jesus Christ is not alive in you; I do not deny your divine implications, but rather declare that Jesus Christ would have little to do with your heart without cleaning it out with some ammonia first. Every misplaced superstition you declare, every superlative assumption, every blasphemy against his Peace, bleeds the Savior. Jesus can do much better work if he isn't trapped in one heart that yearns to step on him in the name of Glory. The deliberation of your pursuit of salvation will be its undoing, you greedy, whining waer-loga.

    * Don't keep stumbling on your own lies about the Bible and it's truths, and my Faith in God' Words! Study more all of you, there is still far more then you think of the absolute truths of the Holy Bible![/quote] Zenjeep I would strongly advise that the next time you express that sentence, you do it in front of a mirror while looking yourself in the soul.

    * The mentioning of the Truth of God's Word as being "supertitions" is of pure ignorance, and your words have no that has no bases in realty! You have done nothing to demonstrate the truth of this assertion except whine like a dog in heat. Don't just stamp your feet and yell at everyone. Demonstrate the truth of your unfounded, undemonstrable assertion. Demonstrate the undemonstrable? That's right, you can't do that. So realize what you're doing to the credibility of your precious Lord Jesus whom you blaspheme regularly.

    If Jesus weeps, it's because y'all won't stop bleeding him.

    * The[ Real ] Truth shell set you free! Standing on lies will cause a great fall!As evidenced by the failure of Christianity to ever achieve any recognizable fraction of its advertised potential. Two thousand years of history back me on that, Zenjeep: all you have on your side is your interpretation of the Bible. Whether or not you can verify, validate, confirm, or otherwise support that interpretation as anything beyond your own puerile fantasy depends entirely on whether or not you care enough about it to discover what it means. Otherwise, all of your comparative talk, your excoriations of diverse thought, and your devotion to a militaristic religion equal exactly that: your talk. Just because I have the Seattle Mariners' 2001 Press Guide does not mean I know baseball. Just because you own a Bible does not mean you know God. Yet you speak as if your name was Metatron.

    Hmm ... did you actually have anything of significance to say in that post?

    Didn't think so.

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  20. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    Life has purpose and meaning!

    Awe come on Cris! Just keep reading that Bible and you may see the light!

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    And I am not trying to be hostile, I am merely pointing the way! God and all of the Word of God is totally REAL! 100% cover to cover! And the only way to truly know the Word of God is by the power of the Holy Spirit of God that can dwell in you, if you let Him! He is not an it but a real person that you and Tiassa needs to know!

    Have a real meaning and purpose to life! A life that is forever more!

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  21. Sir. Loone Jesus is Lord! Registered Senior Member

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    The Word of GOD is True!

    Zenjeep I would strongly advise that the next time you express that sentence, you do it in front of a mirror while looking yourself in the soul.

    * The mentioning of the Truth of God's Word as being "supertitions" is of pure ignorance, and your words have no that has no bases in realty! You have done nothing to demonstrate the truth of this assertion except whine like a dog in heat. Don't just stamp your feet and yell at everyone. Demonstrate the truth of your unfounded, undemonstrable assertion. Demonstrate the undemonstrable? That's right, you can't do that. So realize what you're doing to the credibility of your precious Lord Jesus whom you blaspheme regularly.

    If Jesus weeps, it's because y'all won't stop bleeding him.

    * The[ Real ] Truth shell set you free! Standing on lies will cause a great fall!As evidenced by the failure of Christianity to ever achieve any recognizable fraction of its advertised potential. Two thousand years of history back me on that, Zenjeep: all you have on your side is your interpretation of the Bible. Whether or not you can verify, validate, confirm, or otherwise support that interpretation as anything beyond your own puerile fantasy depends entirely on whether or not you care enough about it to discover what it means. Otherwise, all of your comparative talk, your excoriations of diverse thought, and your devotion to a militaristic religion equal exactly that: your talk. Just because I have the Seattle Mariners' 2001 Press Guide does not mean I know baseball. Just because you own a Bible does not mean you know God. Yet you speak as if your name was Metatron.

    Hmm ... did you actually have anything of significance to say in that post?

    Didn't think so.

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    Tiassa; The Truth will prevail, it always will!

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    And I had much to say, but the 'god' of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they can not come to the knowledge of the truth!
    Get thy house in order!

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    Keep reading the Word of GOD! It is the Absolute Truth form God Himself! Jesus still loves you and Cris!

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  22. pragmathen 0001 1111 Registered Senior Member

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    Loone, perhaps you're Miss-ing the point?

    <b>Loone</b>,

    Miss-guided.
    Miss-informed.
    Mystified.

    Okay, that last one was a stretch, but you get the point. Then again, based solely on your empty words and nil-thought-provoking comments, I could surmise that after all the fluff has run out of your mouth, you remain as deflated as before you puffed your chest up.

    Axons fire within the brain, which is a chemical means of transferring electrical impulses along neurons, which is a means of communicating ideas and words and concepts. Unfortunately, Loone, your axons have been fried, making the gap between each axon that much greater. Your ill-suited action potentials must work that much harder in order to bridge the ever-widening gap between coherent connections.

    As <b>tiassa</b> points out: <i>When you enter into the fold of Christ, you leave your intellect at the door</i>. Of course, it requires intellect to realize this point. Since you don't realize this point, a logical conclusion can be reached. Perhaps, if you did, you would understand why someone with a thinking and reasoning and <i>questioning</i> brain would not be welcomed inside the halls of Christ. Mustn't think outside of the box--the outside world is pure concentrated evil which is just waiting for the right time to get inside the chink in your mail and corrupt you everlastingly.

    You seem to have a wholly fallacious outlook on non-believers. You seem to think that, if perchance, you were to venture out into the outside world, you would be greeted with miserable wretches chanting, "Ha, now you're here with us. Suffer as we do!" Ah, but we do indeed suffer. We suffer through the rhetoric-spewing troglodytes such as yourself--those that think without applying thought, reason without using logic, and question without searching for answers.

    If you were to sit back, once. Just once. And take a broader view of what others were trying to tell you, then perhaps your infantile reactionary words would carry more weight. As it is, you sink back into that hole of ignorance--very comfortable, wouldn't you say? Nice and cosy in there. Climbing outside of the hole would imply that you seek to learn. At the very least, that you seek to understand things from another's point of view. Much too difficult. Better to stay in the hole and the cave. Better to think the shadows on the wall dancing from the light of the fire behind you are real. The outside world is much too bright. The cave has never deceived you, so what if the outside is much clearer.

    The cave reaches into your brain and steals whatever remains of your enfeebled axon connections. Wither and die out, they will, through disuse.

    It doesn't have to be like that, though. You could try. Just for once. Just to see. Think differently and see where it gets you. Your brain will thank you for it.

    Of course, this will undoubtedly enter in one ear and exit through the other, <b>Loone</b>, unperturbed.
     
  23. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    so stated all!= god is vein and self serving!
    builds things(worlds) for "his" own ammusement and enjoys to watch people suffer horrendouse suffering untill violent death.
    and forgives no one!

    and yet to be a christian and be saved by this god one must be everything "he" is not!

    does that not make the devil devine?

    for trueth can only be while one is accustomed to lies!

    the TRUETH in god (as stated by sir loone)[the "sir" part shows huge ego and self importance which is a big sin!]
    is nothing but repeatedly affirmed lies.
    look at the USA (just to use one country we all are vaugely familiar with)
    it has 2 major religons that govern the country-jewdaism and christianity both cannot acept the other and yet the majority of the population are BELIEVERS yet has just as high a crime rate as any other country.

    need i go on?
    dinner calls anywho...

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    tiassa-cris-prag......... only those able to reason can be reasonable

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    groove on all

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