Life from non-life?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by shichimenshyo, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    nope you're wrong in that one
    taking the physical make up of life and the physical make up of an environmental factor amounts to zilch unless the physical thing is actually alive
    since life itself cannot be determined on a molecular level, you are speaking something other than strict science

     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    death as a type of liberation rates as amateur philosophy
     
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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    really?

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    well than try to come close to it, death. And than we will see what you have to say about it than.
    You must be enjoying your life, don't worry it will come to end ...
     
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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    Yes, in contrast with your earlier statement that life = consciousness.

    No..
     
  8. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    Lg got banned? why?
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    He got banned ? lol
    It says 'flaming'.. :shrug:
     
  10. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    ...Who are we going to argue with now?

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  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    Yorda is a good candidate..

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  12. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    The problem comes when you try to decide exactly when you can say something is alive or not. You get down to a certain level and the boundary is quite blurry. The definition of life that you are using is vague and nonuseful for scientific inquiry.

    The processes of life take place at the molecular level. Just because your emerged consciousness exists many levels higher doesn't take away from the fact that you are a mere side effect of a great and secret show where the parts are played by molecules.

    Then tell me what the difference between a dead virus and a living virus is.

    What's a dead virus?

    Consciousness is one of many emergent qualities that are possible to be derived from the processes of life. It has nothing to do with abiogenesis which would have taken place many levels down.

    The magic of tRNA isn't in a delicacy of construction. It's actually quite simple. The magic is in the code. In the evolution of a consistent code which can transfer the information stored in DNA to the creation of a chain of amino acids. That's the magic.

    Now, the ribosome on the other hand... that's complexity. It's likely that the first living thing was a ribozyme. A self-translating piece of RNA.
     
  13. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    I thought you didn't want to argue religion? Should I have moved this to religion then?
     
  14. Enmos Staff Member

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    Good point..

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  15. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    No, Your right

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