Let's Make America Great Again???

Discussion in 'Politics' started by paddoboy, May 31, 2020.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    OK, as an Aussie [thank fuck for that] what did Trump envisage when he used this as his campaign slogan?
    Did America change under Obama? As an outsider I would say yes, for the better to a certain extent and as he was allowed. I see his Obama care inititive has being beneficial.
    Did Trump believe America was not strong enough and risked invasion or detriment from other nations?
    Is the current protests and riots with relation to black deaths at the hands of Police making America great again??
    Is indulging racism making America great again?
    Will sending in the Military make this situation worse or better?
    Will charging all the cops involved with first degree murder [and it seems pretty close to that after watching video] solve this situation?
    Will Trump being defeated in the next elections solve the problems in America at this time?
    Or will these riots benefit Trump and his re election?
    Is America concerned with how the world [at least Aussies] are viewing them now?
    In Australia we often say when something crazy happens in the USA, "Only in America"

    On another note, Incredible achievement by Space x, Musk and NASA and the launching of their new space carrier and the so far 100% success rate.
    Something America should be proud of.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The Falcon 9 doesn't have a 100% success rate. Did you mean just the crewed Dragon missions? That's true - but sort of a small sample size.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, just this mission.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, the mission isn't over yet. But I will agree that so far it's been 100% - so it's off to a good start.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Conning the marks.
    Trump had - and has - no opinion on that matter, no knowledge of it, and no interest in it.
    Irrelevant.
    Trump does not use words for their meanings, but for their effects.
    If you want to better understand the Trump presidency from an ostensibly "safe" distance, try keeping these two things in mind: 1) he's a Republican president, a direct heir of Reagan's voting base and policies, and quite similar to Reagan in almost everything except personal decorum (they have a lot of parallels in their biographies, even). 2) When he uses the word "America" and "Americans" he's more or less talking about the Confederacy and the heirs of the Klan. Northern liberals are not included. Black, brown, red, and yellow, and nonChristian people are not included automatically - only by special dispensation in temporary circumstances.

    In my experience non-Americans generally miss it there - American racism was and is simultaneously structural and virulent, is to this day taken for granted by white people as a fish takes water for granted. It's always present in the cities and locally important towns, always an important factor in all aspects of city life. It's not mildly presumptuous like the current racial bigotries of Europe, or psychologically compartmentalized by geographical segregation like the religious bigotries. It's perverted, vicious, fundamental, ubiquitous, and banal. It's at the root of every major political conflict. It's always a factor in any national issue. (For example, it's the single most important reason America does not provide basic health care to its citizens as a privilege of citizenship (when the issue came up, in the years after WWII, the entire southern half of the country east of the Rockies would have had to build two parallel medical care infrastructures - two hospitals wherever there was one, two medical schools training two separate populations of doctors and nurses for every one in the north, two pharmacies, two ambulance and EMT services and emergency response networks, two fire departments, etc etc etc).
    Something Russia's been doing for decades, on a much larger scale. Something China can do fairly easily, and probably cheaper if they want to. Something the US used to be the best at, and now relies on thug countries and crazy-brain billionaires for scraps and charity in between geopolitical humiliations and orbiting their pet cars.
     
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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the outside world [outside the USA that is] would whole heartedly agree with your summation of Trump. In fact many are still shaking there heads and asking how the hell did he get elected anyway?
    All space-faring nations, USA, Russia [and the former USSR] China, Japan, India, should be proud of what each has achieved...Russia, and the US particularly.
    Musk, as eccentric as he appears, is also to be complimented on the achievements and successes of SpaceX along with the co-operation with NASA.
    Noises have been made in my country re joing the Space exploration endeavour....I welcome that with open arms.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And the legitimate protests accompanied by opportunistic criminality across the USA continues.
    Trump is in my opinion the most divisive leader since Adolf Hitler.
     
  11. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Lot of questions as to how much is "opportunistic" and how much is political agitators trying to incite more trouble.
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I think it was along the lines of "let's do whatever we have to to make the Dow as high as possible, because me and my friends have lots of investments and so we can get rich! Great!"

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  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    As a proud Aussie, I must say at this time, we also have a conservative government in power, with an absolute dickhead for a PM.
    And yes, we also have had problems with our indigenous people suffering unjustly in some cases, at the hands of authority.
    That unjust treatment has not always been confined to the indigenous people, but also the "imported variety Aussie" of which I am one.
    We had one notable case up north where an indigenous person was jailed overnight and found dead next morning...suspicious circumstances were obvious.
    So in my opinion, the problem at least in part appears the cops themselves and a better system in weeding out the cruel mongrels that go beyond the norm.
    By the same token, sometimes they take extreme abuse while simply doing their duty...case in point...a women a while back near the beginning of this pandemic was stopped for a driving offence. Some words were exchanged and from memory the cop went to cuff her, and she spat in his face. I must admit if I was confronted with such an act, I'm not sure how much self control I would find! Anyway he did thrown her on the ground and cuffed her.
     
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  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    That's an understatement.

    Indigneous Australians are disproportionately imprisoned, compared to white Australians. Their chances of dying in custody are similarly disproportionate. More than half of the indigenous deaths in custody since 2008 have involved people who have not been convicted or sentenced for any crime. In 41% of the indigenous deaths in custody since 1991, police watch-houses, prisons and hospitals have been shown to have failed to follow their own published procedures.

    2.8% of the Australian population identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, but Indigenous adults are 15 times more likely to be incarcerated than non-Indigenous Australians, and juveniles are 26 times more likely to be incarcerated. The fastest-growing prison population in Australia is Indigenous women.
     
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  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, but it was mentioned as an aside.
    As I have discussed with you before, while improvements have been made, there is much more to do, and as I mentioned in my post, it may simply be a retraining of the police force in both countries, and the weeding out of those that are undesirable.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/a...orcement/3cfc626d-b05f-43d6-b37d-a7a7eb826337
    Not the be all and end all, but it is a start.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    If there's an institutionalised problem, you have to fix the institution and not just pretend the problem is all down to a few bad eggs.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Sure! But the fact remains, there are always a few bad eggs.
    It's the same with many legalised demonstrations...the few bad eggs tend to run riot in many examples. 'Thankfully having been involved in at least four demonstrations and marches, I only ever saw violence in one of them.
     
  19. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I think Trump meant that he would like women to get back in the kitchen, white straight men to keep controlling corporate interests (and everything else), and minorities to have little say in the process. For many Americans, that’s considered “the good ole days.”

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