Legalize the C word!

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by visceral_instinct, Jul 17, 2009.

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    So then what does Plazma mean by this?

    Plazma: "You can say fuck, cock, shit, cunt, etc. as long as these words aren't used to describe other SciForums member."

    There has been debate of what constitutes an intelligent community or whether sciforums is indeed an 'intelligent community' so that is an old old old accusation, whether few or many rules this debate will continue as it always has. I mean how does Star Treck vs Star Wars or a MJ debate constitute an intelligent community? We could argue that the 'intelligent' could put their intelligence to better uses:shrug: Also we know that Varda is an intelligent poster depending on the discussion so starting a frivolous thread doesn't mean she has somehow fallen off standards simply because the thread was 'inane'. Hey at least it wasn't 'Egyptian statue on Mars'.
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with you, Lucysnow. If a mod uses a word it's very reasonable to assume that the word is acceptable. We can't be expected to be mind readers.
     
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  5. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Ahhh Yes I remember that as well.

    Have you missed the countless posts lately where all she does is insult posters and act like a total Bitch? :bugeye:

    Varda does it on purpose. She has been warned many times about calling members C**Ts. Here are just some directed at me.

    Then after that Ban by James she returned with this Post after knowing full well why she was banned. That didn't stop her from posting this immediately.

    It wasn't enough she called me a C**T, she came back to call my child one too.

    So you still think Varda is ms. Innocent?


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    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2221884#post2221884
     
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  7. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    V_I it's just common sense. I think members are smart enough to know when they are pushing their limits. I know when I am arguing with Orleander how far to push it before I better put on the brakes IF I don't
    want to get banned. If I don't really give a shit, I carry on.

    V_I I saw you opened a thread about leaving MZBOY alone about his depression thread. So you are cool with Varda jumping in and calling him a Whiny C**t?
     
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  8. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    I am not making a claim of innocence I am saying how obscenity bans are issued arbitrarily. If the term she used was worthy of an instant ban then she would not have been warned but banned and there would have been no second thread. James gave instant bans for the use of the word when not directed to anyone specific and yet Plazma says that the word is only ban worthy when directed towards someone. Understand now? The issue I am raising is not about Varda's innocence after all she could care less about being banned and I think we all know that. VI started a thread on 'legalizing' the word and I was showing her that the word is not 'illegal' and that the ban on the word is arbitrary at best. Look at how many times the word has been used in various contexts in this thread alone? There is no difference as far as examples of how it has been used in this thread and the second thread Varda had opened and yet bans were issued there and not here. Context therefore is irrelevant.

    Look at it thread http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=94627

    Tiassa uses the term and he isn't banned. VI and myself use the term undirected to anyone and we are also banned. Which makes the following statement irrelevant:

    ""You can say fuck, cock, shit, cunt, etc. as long as these words aren't used to describe other SciForums member."

    Get it now?
     
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  9. Liebling Doesn't Need to be Spoonfed. Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently, you don't get it. She IS using it to describe other forum members.

    Calling someone a "whiney cunt" is a descriptor. So is calling someone's child a cunt, and so was the insult

    I understand what you are saying Lucy, but this time I think your ire is not very well based. She recieved a warning for the insult, and then in that spirit, she continued to goad. It's not the first time she's been banned for the exact same thing, so you can't just go on this one incident. When you commit a crime, are all other related crimes ignored in your sentencing? Do you think they should be?

    If a abusive wife is sitting outside the house of a man she abused and was convicted of abusing, just outside the restraining order boundries... but she's there all the time. Do you think the cops would just ignore her? They could convict her of harrassing her victim. If Varda's insulting was actually creative and not just her spitting on the crowd, that would be one thing. But she's not Xev, or Gendy or you... she does it very directly and very uncreatively. It's the spirit of the thing, and this is an internet forum. Try to be less serious about it.

    And if you want to get really technical;

    She is directly calling whomever reported her, a whiny cunt. Or do I need to bold it for you?
     
  10. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, no, I'm not.

    The ban was arbitrary. Like Lucysnow said, on one hand Tiassa says it and that's fine, on the other hand we use it in a neutral way (not aimed at anyone) and we're banned? What the hell are we supposed to read from that? That sometimes a word is okay and sometimes it isn't, completely unrelated to whether you used it in an offensive way??
     
  11. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I think the mods should just stop banning people for stupid shit.
    Ban people with one post trying to sell air jordan sneakers, I think that is the purpose of "banning". Not banishing valuable long standing members for saying cunt (or calling someone a cunt). Seriously, wtf? Grow up.
     
  12. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    So are insults ok as long as they're creative and witty? Cunt is wrong, but I can call you a word that means a rare neural disorder, or something?
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    No again you don't see what I am looking at. VI started this thread I went on to say that its not that the word is not allowed to be used and that the ban was arbitrary. Remember Varda wasn't the only one banned which is why VI started the thread.

    Varda was warned but not banned for a word she supposedly uses 'quite often'. Fine. She was then banned for the second thread where she didn't use the word towards anyone in a malicious way and neither did anyone else. If Plazma is right then the other members would not have been banned and Varda would have been banned simply for stressing James which is exactly why she was banned. We weren't warned the ban was instant yet the word was not maliciously directed towards anyone, it was the point of the thread. So again which word can be used in what context is completely arbitrary. If it were not then Varda would not have been able to use the word 'quite often' without warning or instant ban.

    Do you really think Bebelina, VI and myself just went on a rampage against a particular member and started using cunt all over the place? No of course not no one directed anything to another poster with hostile intent. Varda was banned for mocking James and we were banned for being trivial with the word cunt as we were all talking about why that word and not some other word and in what context a word calls for a warning. As VI wrote:

    "I want to know why cunt is taboo, but dick and bollocks can be casually used in conversation."

    And then says 'and oh cunt'. Cosmic says he didn't meet one he didn't like and he wasn't banned but VI and bebelina were and they were just as trivial with the word as cosmic.
     
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  14. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure you could get away with calling me whatever the hell you want.
    In my experience it's not about the insult, it's about the victim. If they're someone who genuinely deserves an insult, then it's bad because it's mean.
    I used to say horrible horrible things to gendanken but it never mattered, then if I say something far less vile to asguard or lucifer's angel it's banworthy because they are weak and pathetic retards.
    I actually wouldn't even be surprised if I got banned for that ^ no cunt, no nothing, just a string of boring words people use here every day, but because it's a fitting description of two people who do indeed have unfortunate conditions, it's unacceptable.
    The irony is, by finding these humble little remarks so very offensive, the mods confess that they too view the aforementioned members as pathetic retards who warrant special protection.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    True. I doubt anyone would get banned for rudely insulting you.
     
  16. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    I still don't understand how you don't get it, because you seem pretty intelligent to me.

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    You have seen just a FEW times where she has called members that and was actually banned for it before. It is not NEWS to her that if she keeps calling members that she will be warned and if she doesn't stop will be banned, just like she was in the past.

    As you can see in my example right after she was banned by James the first thing she did was come back and then call my child that. That shows a lot of maturity and intelligence don't ya think? :bugeye: She just wanted to show that she doesn't give a shit and will continue to say whatever the hell she wants. Then she will give warnings later that she is such a valuable poster and it will be Sciforums loss to loose her.

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  17. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Who knows.........I doubt the Dr. hits the report button even if they do.
    It would be more exciting for him to come back with an even more exaggerated, very imaginative, slit throat yet humorous comeback.
     
  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    See post #51 where I explain it. My argument has nothing to do with whether Varda deserves a ban or not.
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Lou Natic has been banned for 14 days. (This is far from a first offence. Next ban, if any, will be 1 month.)

    There are real victims of child molestation out there. Gratuituous sexual posts making fun of that issue will not be tolerated.
     
  20. Barbie Banned Banned

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    Wtf? You banned him for sharing with us a personal story which obviously grieved and embarrassed him to great extents?! You're a monster, do you realize the courage required to confess you've been fingered betwixt your buttocks by an older gentleman? He should be compensated greatly for this terrible misdeed, there was nothing gratuitous about his post, he merely said he was sodomized by an older gentleman's thick sausage fingers, insinuating it happened because he was wearing provocative short shorts with nary a belt. He obviously learned his lesson from the encounter, or did you miss the part where he avowed to put greater care into protecting his bumhole?

    This is outrageous, really ... you can't make this stuff up. You ban somebody for detailing his experience as a molested child? And then insinuate he isn't actually a victim of child molestation? That sounds like something a child molester would do, "hey kid, about what we just did ... yeah, it's perfectly normal *cleans thick sausage fingers under the sink* just uh, just ... just don't tell your parents, it'll be our cool little secret *sniffs finger, visibly disgusted* yeah, but a ... but a, if you have any friends your age who want to join our cool secret club, definitely let them know, but ... you know, don't like ... like, don't tell them exactly what we do, you see ... hmm, tell them we bond and - no, not "bond" - tell them something, make something up *adjusts his pants in the crotch region* *wipes stain on jeans with wet cloth*"

    If my account was allowed to send private messages I would inform the owner of this gross affair, I will not stand for this. By banning him for sharing his difficult experience with us, you reaffirmed his worst suspicions that he's a dirty little trailer bastard who got what he had coming. Rest assured I will get to the bottom of this, I will not stand for people taking child molestation lightly. It is an extremely serious and sensitive topic, there is no place in denying another person's experiences.

    You crossed the fucking line, man ... you crossed the line.
     
  21. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Since you are a noob to this site (under this pseudonym) then you are likely to have some slack cut. Lou has a habit of barbing James, and this is nothing new. It's not that he just suddenly got banned for saying something inane, it's he got banned for continuing to say something inane.

    You'll find out (if you don't already know) that moderators here will likely try to keep certain outbursts to a minimum. Thats because this is suppose to be a predominantly science forum, if you want to hang out and just talk trash there are plenty of other sites to spam. (facebook, twitter etc.)
     
  22. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Did Lou re-post the picture or something?
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I love how lucy makes a simple direct obvious point which the people in this thread cannot seem to get.
     
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