Laura Bush, '08?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Neildo, May 31, 2005.

  1. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    And, indeed, those venomously against Bush are guilty of similar things. They distort reality, inflating the bad while painting over the good, until all that is left is a black and white acid-trip to Dante's Inferno. They do so through different media and do it to different supporters... but there is no difference when you boil everything down.

    Look at me. I am a highly educated middle class citizen. I am of mixed racial background an am born of a Cuban immigrant mother. I refer to myself as a militant agnostic and tend to scoff at members of organized religions who push their faith. I also tend toward Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party, if anything. Alas, I was born in the wrong era.

    And yet I support Bush and I have my own reasons. I certainly do not agree with all of his policies, but those that I do agree with outweigh those favored by his competition.
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The good that Bush supporters point to are largely symbolic, like having an election in Iraq. They don't tell you that no one knew who they were voting for. Yeah, we got rid of the Taliban, or did we? They are still there, and women are still oppressed. We still haven't got Osama, and left his capture to some mercinaries called the Northern Alliance. Our allies in the war on terror are Saudi monarchs and a Pakistani general who seized power in a military coup. The economy is shit, unemployment is high, no one wants to join the military, and the real enemies like North Korea are antagonized into isolation, where before they were approachable with diplomacy. American citizens are being spied on and propagandized to like we are the enemy, environmental protections are evaporating at the suggestion of corporations who stand to profit from it... but, Bush might be the wrong one to hate, since he is mostly a figurehead. He can't even speak proper english, and that's after an ivy league eduation. He refuses to have a free and open press conference without pre-scripted questions, that alone should reveal that he's hiding something from you.

    But, why do you support Bush?
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Clockwood, could I get a clarification, please?

    That humans in general are guilty of similar things notwithstanding, do you refer to those that are truly venemously against Bush, or those that are venomously against Bush according to Republicans? They are, after all, two rather different standards.
     
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  7. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Those who I see are venomously against Bush with my own eyes. Republicans in general have differing views of the opposition and 'truth' varies with perspecitive. My eyes are all that I really have.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Truth is the truth, it's not subjective. It's what really happened. Bush denies the truth, he distorts the truth, he presents lies as truth, and that's unacceptable.
     
  9. Crimson_Scribe Thespian Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with some things Bush says and not others. Am i a minority?
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with some things he says, like people want to be free, but what he actually does is a different story.
     
  11. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Some things are absolute. The earth revolve around the sun and hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. Things that involve people are rarely so clear cut.

    Two individuals or groups can fight over some subject and both sides can be right. Once perspective comes into play, one thing can mean a multitude of different things.
    You have to understand that he is seeing the world from a different angle than you. What he is doing seems right to him. I am certain that half the decisions that you would come to would make me think you were completely mad... at least until I factor perspective into the equation.
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think Bush thinks what he does is right. He knows that he lied to America, and he knows that liers in Christian theology go to hell. He knows that helping the poor is what Jesus taught, and he knows that his legislation favors the rich. He knows he's a hypocrite, and probably thinks he's making a noble sacrifice for his friends.
     
  13. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Even if there aren't WMDs in Iraq, I am certain that he thought there were and so did a number of powers throughout the world. There was every reason to think that. We know that he got them decades ago and even used them on his own civilians. We know that he had been trying to upgrade missile technology so that it could threaten other countries. Thats something you only do if you have or can get something a hell of a lot more dangerous than conventional explosives. He was also way too resistant to inspections, keeping huge areas off limits. We have proof that he worked on them before the '91 Desert Storm.

    Even if Saddam wasn't carrying them, it was the correct assumption to believe that he was.

    As to that whole rich/poor bullshit, the rich are taxed to high heaven while the poor are not taxed at all. You can't tax someone if they don't have anything. In fact, they get money from welfare and a couple dozen different kinds of government aid. Throwing any more money at it just won't solve the problem, only make welfare a way of life. Personally, something like the Civil Conservation Corps comes to mind... but that would not fly very well with a lot of people.
     
  14. pandora's box Registered Member

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    Didn't Papa Bush publicly state his fervent desire for Jeb Bush to run in '08?
     
  15. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    No. He plugged him for president at an indefinite time in the future. Probably isn't going to be '08. May possibly be the next time after that.

    That doesn't mean he will win the nomination.
     
  16. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd think that Ms. Bush would stand a better chance than Rice would. I don't really see a Democrat that will be able to run that could give her a decent fight. Hillary could try but she's not going to be able to win against Bush either.
     
  17. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    The idea of Laura running for anything at this point is pretty ridiculous. I mean who is she even? She seems like the quintessential conservative wife. . . she probably vacuum’s the white-house while wearing a ball gown heels and a string of pearls. I don't think anyone thinks there's much else to her beyond those dead eyes that are untouched by that vapid smile she's always wearing.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The Downing Street Memo proves that Bush was tailoring the evidence to fit the policy of invading Iraq.
    Because the US supplied them, but alot happened since then.
    The weapons inspectors took care of that, I saw the Al Samud missiles being destroyed on TV, so that was not a reason for invasion.
    That is not what the weapons inspectors reported, Saddam was cooperating.

    All evidence points to the fact that Bush wanted to invade Iraq for some unknown reason, lied to the world about WMD's, and was uninterested in the truth of the situation. People that knew better were fired, people that told the truth had their CIA spouses names revealed to the press, an act of treason. It wasn't an honest mistake, and he should be impeached for it.

    Nope, the rich and the corporate tycoons get tax loopholes in the Cayman Islands, while the working poor still pay gas taxes, income taxes, sales tax, etc... I'm not talking about people on welfare, tax increases do not effect them as much.

    Why should corporate loopholes and tax shelters be closed? Not to give out in welfare, but to fund schools, low interest college loans, small business loans, ect, the kind of help lower income people need to pull themselves out of the cycle of poverty. Also, we could pay down the debt, and have a balanced budget.
     
  19. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Ok. Wanna bomb the Cayman islands?

    Anyway, here is a speck of info from Wikipedia:
    The top 1% of taxpayers by income pay 33% of all individual income taxes, and 22.7% of all federal taxes.
    The top 5% of taxpayers pay 54.5% of all individual income taxes, and 38.5% of all federal taxes.
    The top 10% of taxpayers pay 67.4% of all individual income taxes, and 50% of all federal taxes.
    The top quintile pays 82.5% of all individual income taxes, and 65.3% of all federal taxes.


    And the poor still pay nothing.
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No need to bomb a mail drop box in the Caymans, just close the loopholes.
     
  21. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I said, "his legislation favors the rich". The middle class aren't rich, and they aren't getting tax cuts, while cuts for corporations add up to far more money.
     
  22. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    from the New York Times
     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    But, but, Ronald Reagan via the Centers for Disease Control sent Saddam Hussein the samples of all the germs needed to make those weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Did you know that we have been selling Saddam WMD's since 1986?

    Reason to invade or reason to take a good look at ourselves? If you really want justice for those responsible for Saddam's WMD's look no further than the Bush administration, it's the same people that supplied them, along with helicopters...

    Face it, perpetual war is the neo-con goal. Keeping you poor, stupid, distracted and uninformed is the method.
     

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