lack belief vs evidence

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I brake for a kid I believe will follow the ball. Reagrdless of the last n times no kid followed a ball.
    Whats the problem?
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    Nice.. I'm being ignored.. :bugeye:

    One last try then.

    As I am but a dumb atheist, can you break it down for me why the following is wrong ?

    <> Belief is to assume something despite lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary.
    <> Lack of belief is not to assume something because of lack of evidence for it or because of evidence to the contrary.

    Pretty please.. ?
     
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  5. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, as we all do. But you are categorizing it as a fact that a kid (or something) will follow. You may assume that something is following, which is good, but it's not a fact that something is following. It's a guess at what might be. How do facts come into it?
     
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  7. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not ignoring you enmos. :wave:
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Objectively I could do trial and error, if 3x no kid after ball, hence objectively no need to brake. Similarly I could calculate statistics to determine if I should brake or not.

    However, I will dump all objectivity and simply brake.

    What is the best option? What should my guess be?
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    No, but SAM is.. :bawl:
     
  10. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    What does this have to do with the nature of facts vs beliefs and assumptions??? :runaway:
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Belief is to assume facts not in evidence/

    lack of belief is a non sequitur
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm defining belief. :bugeye:

    Now use the same example and define to me what lack of belief would be in the same situation.
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    I asked you to break it down, not state your own definitions.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know how not to assume facts not in evidence.:shrug:
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    You don't know how not to assume facts that lack evidence ???? Why assume them ?
     
  16. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Lack of belief? Hmmm... Let's see.

    I (like you) generally believe that there is a high likelyhood of a kid following a ball into the street. It's happened to me many a time. It's logical. A complete lack of belief in this situation would be akin to you telling me that an elephant might be following. I have no evidence that there are even elephants at large in my city, let alone that they chase balls into the street.

    Yes?
     
  17. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Err... what? :wtf:
     
  18. Enmos Staff Member

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    SAM I don't think this is one of your better days.. :shrug:
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So you brake for every ball? You are sure there may be something following?

    What if everytime you brake nothing follows.

    Do you lack belief because facts are not in evidence?

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  20. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Of course!

    I'd still brake, because I'm an intelligent human being that has a grasp of the sequential nature of kids playing with balls and chasing them.

    Are you asking what I'd do if I had never seen a child (god), or a ball (gods works), and had no idea how balls could get ito the street (no physical mechanisms for superstitious bullshit)? Then I'd have a complete lack of belief in the situation. Of course.

    In part, of course. But more to the point is that there is zero compelling evidence that thing X exists. How can this be confusing?
     
  21. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    sam, you lack belief in the FSM why? Because there are no supporting facts in evidence?

    Or do you believe in the FSM? :bugeye:
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ah so you're saying if you had driven for 20 years and never seen a ball followed by a kid, you would not brake if you saw one?
     
  23. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    No! READ FFS!

    I've still seen kids playing with balls and can easily make the sequential connection.

    I think you must be tired sam. I'll see ya tomorrow. 'nite.
     
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