lack belief vs evidence

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  1. Enmos Staff Member

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    So:

    Belief = a psychological state that assumes facts that lack evidence.
    Lack of belief = not assuming facts that lack evidence.
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    and where does inductive knowledge fit into this?

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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    How can you not assume a fact?
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    The dictionary. But besides that, you do. It could be weak or strong evidence, or even faulty evidence.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence in its broadest sense, includes anything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion.

    Hmm so you think evidence can be subjective?
     
  9. C1ay Skepticist Registered Senior Member

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    Your prevarication is not an answer. Is the question to hard for you?
     
  10. Enmos Staff Member

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    Oh ha ha... funny..

    Ok:

    Lack of belief = not assuming ideas/proposals/whatever that lack evidence.

    By the way, that definition of yours is flawed then. Facts required evidence to be facts.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Try mine on for size. Me, I'm a delusional theist, I don't look for evidence where faith will suffice.

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  12. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    sam is a prevaricating provocateur of profoundly pronounced proportions.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not if the facts are assumed to be not in evidence.

    e.g. if I see a ball coming down the street, I brake without waiting to see if a kid follows.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, evidence can be anecdotal. But when people say there is no evidence for a designer (for instance), they don't mean that the proponents don't offer evidence at all, it's just that the evidence is not compelling or objective.
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    What in that example is the fact you are talking about ? The fact that a kid can follow ?

    There is evidence that a kid CAN follow.
     
  16. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    There are varying degrees of belief based on varying levels of evidence. In many ways it is extremely subjective. So trying to argue for one or another as the correct interpretation is futile unless you are a philosopher (i.e. have left temporal brain damage).

    At some point, "I believe" becomes "I know", like with gravity. As has been said before, "not believing in it" is not the same as "believing it dosen't exist".
     
  17. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    So you think it's a fact that a kid is following the ball?
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No I assume it is. Could be a dog, a teenager, an overthrow, an elephant.
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    Or nothing. So you assume it's a fact that something follows the ball ?
    omg.. :bugeye:
     
  20. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    You assume it's a "fact"? Sam, you're getting really confusing now. Quit drinking directly from the ganges.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Assuming that a designer could be objectively defined.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If I did not assume it as a fact, I would not brake.

    Another example, if I feel something go crunch under my tires when I'm speeding down country lanes, I stop.

    I assume it may be an animal and I need to ensure its dead (or needs urgent medical attention)
     
  23. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Huh? Clearly there's a language problem here.
     
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