Killing whales :(

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  1. Beryl WWAD What Would Athelwulf Do? Registered Senior Member

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    But there aren't plenty.
     
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  3. Tomoyo Banned Banned

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    eating whale is no good... We will just help extinct the specie.. that's all I can say..
     
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  5. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    To calculate the theoretical maximum sustainable yield from a population, you require the existing population figures and the breeding rate. Whales reproduce only very slowly, and seldom have more than 1 calf at a time. The big unknown is the population variable: unlike elephants or rhinos, whales cannot be counted.

    I've seen estimates of the present World population of blue whales ranging from 20,000 down to only 800; even at the high end, their slow breeding rate will necessitate about 200 years to restore the original pre-whaling numbers (probably around 200-300 thousand).
     
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  7. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Whale meat??-i have to say iv never tried it,dnt want to either, has anyone seen what they do at the whaling stations?i went once with dad, and fuck me is it sick...blood and shit everywhere-enough to turn one vegan!!

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  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Whale tastes like meat. The reason that they eat whale is because they don't have enough land to raise cattle and importing cattle is very expensive.
     
  9. NO1 I Am DARKNESS Registered Senior Member

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    I cant quite imagine the taste. Probably a heavy fish with heavy meat. I've always wanted to try komodo dragon.
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, then, John, don't go see a beef, chicken or pork slaughter house or you'll never eat meat again as long as you live! ...LOL!

    But as to vegatarianism, if you should go that route, don't check into the crap that they spray on the crops during growing season and, oh, please, don't watch 'em during the harvest, packing and distribution .....you'll starve to death for sure! ...LOL!

    Have you ever eaten lettuce that a picker has pissed on or spit on? Oh, you say, "No, of course not!" And then I laugh loudly and my dog looks up at me wondering why I'm acting so silly!! ...LOL!

    Ignorance is blissful ......believe me.

    Baron Max
     
  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Whale isn't a fish, it's a mammal which means its flesh is hairy like cattle or bison.
     
  12. NO1 I Am DARKNESS Registered Senior Member

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    My mistake. But how do you understand it as hairy? Are you saying the meat has hairs? Only my buds have hairs...nice crystally ones.
     
  13. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Like humans hair, its hair grows on the outside of its skin.
     
  14. talk2farley Registered Senior Member

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    Curiously, folks often assume that market tendencies are responsible for natural extinctions. That is, it is your supposition that demand for whale blubber leads to the supply of whales being wholly and irreversably exhausted. Given that whales are a renewable resource, what businessman with half an ounce of sense would subscribe to such a nonsensical market theory? ESPECIALLY given that as the available supply of whales (and, conversely, whale blubber) decreased, their value would increase (thus encouraging suppliers, the whalers, to increase their supply of whale blubber, necesitating of course an increase in the supply of whales).

    Look at the plights of chickens, cows, dogs, cats, sheep, pigs, etc. - all animals that we have allowed private businessmen to farm to their hearts content. And farmed they are. Billions of cattle are slaughtered a year, and yet no one is concerned about possibly wiping cattle off the face of the planet! Why might that be?

    You see, it is not demand for whale blubber that is driving the whales extinct, anymore than demand for ivory is driving the African elephant extinct, or demand for beef is driving cattle extinct. Government regulation is what destroys natural populations, when it interferes with the natural tendencies of men to exploit their available resources in a necesarilly efficient and lasting manner (in the same way lions won't hunt local gazelle populations into extinction, unless tree-hugging men interfere and somehow send the lion or gazelle populations into an unnatural flux). Allow whales to be farmed, and I guarantee thered be no shortage in the whale population. Same thing for any other plant or animal on the planet. They tried this experiment in South Africa, I believe, with African lions. Despite heavy legal "protections," the African lion population was steadily declining, and they were on the verge of extinction. Desperate, the South African government allowed private ranchers to purchase the land on which the lions roamed (not the lions themselves, but the land). The ranchers immediately recognized the lion population as a potential source of great income, particularly if left alive. Because they were so few in number, a great many people placed value on seeing and observing them. So the ranchers charged admission and lead safaris! They hired guards to keep a 24 hour vigil over the four legged money-makers to curb the poachers, and shortly the lion population began to rebound.

    Privatization works, every time. Why we continue to look at it as something to be feared or cautiously observed lest it commit some dastardly and irreversible malfeasance, despite centuries of evidence to the contrary, I really don't know. What I find most ironic is that we turn to the government to do this observing and regulating, despite the fact that the state has ALWAYS been exactly what we FEAR the private sector COULD be but NEVER really has been: a thief, a repressor, a mass murderer, a liar, a cheat, and a waster. In my humble opinion, the corporations should be watching the government on our behalf, not the other way around.
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    yea right

    hey so what if we kill off this sort of wale, there is always the next untill all thats left are the dolphines but then we can just move onto them next right?

    THAT is how big buisness feels, just look at what has happened to deep sea fish, comertial fishing destroyed the population and ONE RESTRAUNT making a fish its sig dish and what happened to it? it became indangered because they fished it to the brink of exstinction. Business DONT CARE, all they care about is money. The reason chickens, and cattle arnt exstint is because we FARM them, you CANT farm wales.

    Its wrong and should be banned. Simple
     
  16. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Oh hahahaha,

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    , no you know wht i mean...?i ment tht as an exageration, im an avid fan of meat, yay....

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    You know what, id definatly have to agree with you there!!!!

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  17. talk2farley Registered Senior Member

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    Dont be a moron. You can farm anything thats capable of reproduction. Fishing is troubled by OVER REGULATION. It is illegal for private venture capitalists to create controlled fisheries for the rarest and most exotic aquatic species (thanks to the efforts of the greens, of course). Instead, the state acts as an intermediary, forcing business to go through it (via permits and licenses) for permission to HARVEST (the state alone assumes FULL responsibility for population control, "planting" if you will). And again, you are correct, these so-called "protected" fish populations are in trouble. This is further evidence in my favor!

    The marine life which IS allowed to be privately farmed is in ZERO jeopardy of extinction, because the populations are carefully monitored by corporate overseers whose business is DEPENDANT on the survival and propogation of the species!

    Of COURSE business is concerned about the "bottom line." This isn't bad. This is, in fact, GREAT. It is exactly why private ventures will always be INFINITELY more succesful in a given sector than the state (which operates according to the same motivators, but has a monopoly on FORCE, meaning it need not earn the dollars with which it pads its pockets). Who do you think is more trustworthy and holds an inate moral high ground: the guy who has to work for and earn your cash via voluntary exchange, or the guy who points a gun at you and demands it? Which of the two would you rather trust anyones/things life to, whales included?

    If your business is whale blubber, it makes ZERO sense for you to kill every whale. Anyone that dunce would be bankrupt well before such lunacy could succeed.
     
  18. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Just think that there are over 6 billion humans living on the Earth today but in just 100 years there's going to be over 12 billion. How are they going to be fed ? If regulations aren't strictly enforced then other countries will come and and overfish on anyones teritory. It's better to stop the overfishing today so that the fish will be there in the future. With all of the pollution being dumped into the oceans around the world in 100 years there just maybe no safe waters that fish can live in. Imagine when all the sewage, garbage and other crap that is being loaded into the oceans becomes double or triple the amounbts that we put in it today how anything could survive will be a miricle.
     
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  19. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    comictraveler, you shud feel no remorse, all you have to do is travel the cosmos, as your name suggest, and find another planet, such as earth. My god, you may even be the new 'Adam', you will continue the human race when all the fish are eaten, further more you'll be one less person taking a shit into the ocean

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  20. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    That's nonsense.
     
  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    What I find interesting is that people seem to think that the fuckin' whales are so damned important. What, please tell me, whould happen if all of 'em were gone tomorrow? Would the oceans somehow take revenge on us or what?

    Shit, whales are just left-over dinosaurs ....and what happened when the dinosaurs disappeared? Ooooooh, life just kept right on, didn't it?

    Baron Max
     
  22. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually wales are mamals. CROCS are left over dinosaurs (and even they have evolved since), wales are no more left over dinosaurs than WE are
     
  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    So? Answer the question, Asquard! What happens when all the fuckin' whales are gone? And how will it affect human life as we know it?

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