Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Jan 11, 2016.

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Does the Kalam Cosmological Argument convince you that God exists?

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  2. No.

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  3. I'm not sure that I properly understand the argument.

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  4. No opinion or would rather not answer.

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  1. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! How's this:

    P1. Life requires matter

    It then follows that:

    1. Life exists

    2. Matter exists

    Agreed.

    Physical effects require physical causes. Yes. But this in no way requires that all physical effects are physical. What about the "physical"? The non-physical exits either way. So we have a duality ladies and gentlemen.

    The same can be said of yours.
     
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  3. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, "P2. Only the physical exists," entered my post by mistake.

    That being said, your argument against that premise is very weak.
     
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  5. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. However the point of my argument is that not only the physical exists. So does the non-physical. IN FACT, THE NON-PHYSICAL IS REQUIRED FOR THE PHYSICAL TO EXIST!!!
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Prove it.
     
  8. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    It's already obvious.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    So you can't prove it empirically.
     
  10. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed one can.

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    Think about it for a while.
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Space is physical.
     
  12. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. And?
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    So I don't know what else you could be talking about.
     
  14. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Nothingness/ information/ language/ knowledge.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Show me information that doesn't take a physical form.
     
  16. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah. Writing in all caps really makes me more likely to believe that you have no argument.
     
  17. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Physbang,
    My argument is solid. Perhaps it is your interpretation of it that is flawed sir.
     
  18. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Only when translated into mathematics or words does it take physical form.
     
  19. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's already obvious.
     
  20. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you.
     
  21. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    ^Case in point.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Or even:

    "P1. All foompa-loompas require a wazeewaa."

    I don't think this premise establishes the existence of foompa-loompas or wazeewaas, other than as placeholder labels.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Spellbound:

    Er... I already said "This thread...".

    I'd say it's more of an observation than a judgment.

    If you have some evidence or argument for the existence of heaven, I'm all ears.
     

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