Justice and Rape Culture: The Women Are Speaking

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Tiassa, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's not sexist. Sexism is TREATING people of the opposite sex differently.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What are you talking about?

    Nonsense. I've seen it many times, right here on the forum. Do you think I'm an idiot and I haven't read any of your posts? You have a very long record.

    The first step is to recognise that there is a problem. All indications are that you're very far from completing that step.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    More specifically, it involves making the assumption that women are inferior to men and treating them accordingly. Sexists typically value women only as objects for their own use or pleasure. To the extent that they aren't that, they dismiss women as human beings.
     
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  7. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Record of what...disagreement? Sure, I will agree with that. Maybe we can disagree about the definition of sexism, and agree that men and women are different?
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No. Lack of respect. That's what you were talking about. Remember?

    What's your definition?

    Different in what way?
     
  9. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Disagreement is disrespect?


    I've given it.


    I was asking you.
     
  10. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Gotta sign off for a bit. See you soon.
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Try to keep up.

    You said "I don't treat women with any less respect than I would another man."

    I said you do, demonstrably, as is apparent from your record of posts to this forum.

    I can't find it.

    Try to keep up.

    You're claiming that men and women are different in some significant way that justifies your treating women differently to men. I'm asking you what you think the relevant differences are.
     
  12. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That makes sense, I guess.

    But, pervasive sexism, bigotry, racism, homophobic narratives, etc all seem like they'd be against forum rules. Making one off comments, okay. Everyone has an off day. But, if it's pervasive, that would seem to be a violation of the forum rules. Funnily enough, those pervasive attitudes can create a slippery slope of acceptance.

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  13. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I do? How so?

    Keep up.

    Well, your question makes me question your experience with women outside online forums. Have you ever been with a woman, James?[/QUOTE]
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Bowser:

    Well, for starters there are numerous posts concerning women for which you have received moderator warnings.

    Back in 2016, in reference to Hillary Clinton, for example, you wrote "Her twat makes no difference in the matter. It's the horns protruding from her head that give me pause."

    Maybe you'd like to explain to all of us how your crude reference to Clinton's genitalia shows respect for her and for women in general, not to mention your characterisation of her as some kind of demon. I note that I haven't seen any posts from you discussing male genitalia in reference to male candidates for President.

    This is just one example, mind you. Another one that comes to mind is the music video you chose to post with the explicit lyrics about how the lead singer likes his "pussy in boots", referring to various sex acts in the course of the song. Maybe you'd like to explain why it was appropriate for you to post that video, and how it shows your respect for women.

    I see you couldn't find it, either. Figures.

    Avoiding the question? Figures.

    Why not try honesty for a change?
     
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  15. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Well, if we had clipped her tail and filed down her horns...

    I'm sorry, you're cracking me up.

    Who doesn't enjoy sex? Is it worth a song?

    It's there clear as day. I'm not going to repeat myself.

    A little secret for you (put your ear next to the screen)... women enjoy sex, too.

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  16. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    @ Bowser -

    I've read your comments in the abortion threads, and they all point to the fact that you think of men as superior, and women as inferior. You can deny that all you wish, but unfortunately for you, people here know how to read. Your comments are blatant in the ''should men have a say in abortion,'' and the ''abortion'' threads that are currently running. You have posted threads about ''women's rights,'' ''heterosexuality,'' and other threads that demean African Americans - all of them having this underlying theme that you (and those like you) are more superior than the rest of us. I'm not going to link them all here, they are here for everyone to see. Those are just a few threads I've run across your posts, but there are others, where you can't help yourself but to share how different you think men are from women, and bla bla bla. As if this needs to be constantly underscored by you; again, you placing yourself above women, because of our ''differences.''

    That's what causes you to be looked at as a sexist.

    And yes, I enjoy sex, as many women do, but that doesn't mean I come here to discuss it. This isn't a bar, or a locker room. It's a science forum, where there are fringe areas to discuss things outside of science, but that doesn't include posting anything we wish. The video wouldn't be out of place on another forum, but it's out of place, here. It's insulting also to men that you think all men want to see stuff like that, when they post here. Or that any men who don't agree with your sexist views of women, are somehow pandering to feminists. Your glib replies and refusal to have an actual dialogue with James, billvon or iceaura in this thread, show that you basically want to be able to post whatever you like, without reproach.

    I'm not sure if you're feigning ignorance, or are truly clueless, but it could very well be the latter, as many sexists/misogynists have such an ingrained mindset that they just can't see anyone else's view. There's a third option, and that is that at times, your posts imply that you're proud to be a sexist, so maybe you're not clueless at all.
     
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  17. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Wegs, I just think life is sacred. I didn't always feel that way, but the older I grow, the more amazing it becomes. I don't feel it's a matter of being superior as it is recognizing how special women truly are--bringing life into the world is pretty amazing. I watched my wife do it twice. If you truly are a woman, you are gifted for being just that, a woman. I feel no shame for believing that. As far as sex is concerned, yeah, it's a small aspect of life; but I would hazard that most of us enjoy it. That video I posted in the thread was--admittedly--borderline, but it was intended as lighthearted humor. If you truly were offended I apologize. Having said that, I still might offend you in the future, but it's just way I role sometimes.
     
  18. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    This a very thoughtful response & apology, Bowser and I really appreciate you posting it. #progress

    When you've been discriminated against for being a woman (which I have been) and sexually harassed at work (which I have been), you tend to spot the ''sexist in the crowd'' pretty quickly. Walk a mile in someone's shoes kind of thing...

    I believe that men and women are not ''the same,'' but we are equal as people. Equal in terms of rights, and so my point of view, comes from that place, if it helps.
     
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  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Women are just baby makers to you, though?
     
  20. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I would be typing forever, Beer. But if they have an advantage I don't, they are women AND mothers.
     
  21. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So now, you say you feel inferior to women.

    How many times has that been an underlying reason for rape and murder?
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Men and women are different. That's not sexism.
    Treating men and women differently is sexism. For example, referring to a woman by her genitalia, while referring to men in more conventional terms, is sexist.
     
  23. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    No stupid.

    I don't know. I'm not obsessed with the subject.
     

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