Justice and Rape Culture: The Women Are Speaking

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Tiassa, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm wondering should the movement die once the carcass has been devoured. There are only so many exploiters of high position to be had.
     
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  3. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but is your average criminal as newsworthy as say one of high position?
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? No. Most criminals aren't "of high position."
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Which brings us back to my question.
     
  8. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    The thing is, issues arise in the public conscience and then recede. I think it more a news cycle than a social movement, but I could be wrong.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Well, there is no surprise about the point that you have no idea what you're on about, but still.
     
  10. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Possibly you're too busy projecting. I was trying to have a conversation with you. As far as your question is concerned, I feel no need to be on the defensive.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's very true. But it brings attention to a problem - and once there's enough attention on a problem, new laws are passed and new social memes are created that help prevent its recurrence in the future.

    We don't pay as much attention to drunk driving as we did in the 1980's. But the social and legal changes that occurred then have still had an effect on reducing drunk driving deaths today.
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I will give you that. I think of the oil crisis of the 70's. It did spark change in the industry and gave light to our dependency on foreign oil. I suppose we will wait and see how this plays out.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    No, seriously, dude:


    You're on. What the hell does that even mean?

    What do you think is going on?

    And, you know, come up with something better than pretentious stupidity↗ this time.

    "And when all the high-profile offenders have been outed, will the issue die a quiet death?"

    So:

    "all the high-profile offenders have been outed" — What a nonsense phrase. (1) We're not running out of "high-profile offenders" to deal with, anytime soon; (2) there are offenders of lesser public profile, and we're not running out of those, either—

    "will the issue die a quiet death" — because (3) the issue won't die a quiet death until rape culture gets down to strangling the last woman in order to teach her how to be quiet, or (4) there is nobody left stupid enough to participate in or raise advocacy of rape culture.​

    I don't expect the issue is dying a quiet death. And there is a lot more going on here than outing high-profile offenders. Had you paid attention to the thread, you would have noticed that point at the outset: Restaurant workers↑? Hotel workers↑? Teachers↑?

    What was that about high-profile offenders? Or, I'm sorry, did I disrupt your effort to ignore women's voices in favor of crass, self-charming ignorance↑?

    Because—

    —market cycles and prevailing narrative are rape culture tributaries presently under challenge, and this time it does not seem women intend to accept the bounds of this discussion being whatever men decide to put up with.
     
  14. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    If it were not for the big names being dragged out into the limelight, no one would have given it much notice. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing that those involved are being outed, but I have to wonder how the movement will maintain its momentum once they run dry on perp's of notability. Once the commotion has died, will the average sexual predator much care what happened to Kevin Spacey, or any other high profile perp? Probably not. It might cause reason for those of position to be cautious, but will it really rock the world of those who don't care?

    I could be all wrong. Perhaps the media attention will touch the hearts of the average abuser. As for new laws being implemented, I'm not certain what more can be done. Sexual harassment is already illegal, unless we can institute regulation the further dictates human interaction between the sexes.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The biggest risk that victims of abuse face today isn't "running dry" of abusers, it's the glorification of sexual abuse as personified by Trump and people like him. (He called Bannon "bam bam" during his tenure at the White House due to his tendency to "bam bam" on women.) Fortunately that's been partially counteracted by the high profile cases that involve abusers going down.
     
  16. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I suppose. I'm watching. I'm thinking that it will have more influence on the younger generation than the older. I haven't talked with my son or daughter about it, but it would be interesting to get their perspectives.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's good; that means that simple attrition will improve the problem as well.
     
  18. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I think so. Looking at my own children, they are very much a reflection of their culture, holding ideas that are current in the public sphere.
     
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    McDougal's friend, John Crawford, provided the handwritten account of the affair to the publication. In it, McDougal details her interactions with Trump, including one instance wherein he tried to pay her after they had sex. "(He always ordered steak and mashed potatoes – he never drank)," she wrote in one excerpt shared with the publication. "We talked for a couple hours – then, it was 'on'! We got naked and had sex. After, we got dressed to leave and he offered me money. I looked at him and felt sad and said, 'No thanks – I'm not that girl. I slept with you because I like you – not for money.' He told me, 'You are special.'"

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...air-with-playmate-6-things-we-learned-w516839


    I can’t seem to discern who’s the victim in this example of rape culture. Is it the party with the deep pockets? The party with the alluring charms? Or is it the party that is expected to read this account and take the words of the participants seriously? I feel in need of a rape kit.
     
  21. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Can we find self-confidence and personal agency in being a victim? Maybe we can. I'm willing to watch and see.
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    The problem, Bowser, is detached, meaningless questions like that.

    I think part of the problem is that something you are known to disdain↑ when #TheWomeAreSpeaking; pretentious vapidity might at least mean a man is pretending to say something, but the pointed disrespect really is problematic.
     
  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    No, detachment is not the issue. All of us have been victims one time or another, including you. There's no problem relating to it. The resolve to deal with it and move on is what's important. Again, if the #MeToo movement makes a woman stronger rather than weaker, then it will be worth the fuss. I'm still watching.

    We are in the midst of a social crisis at this time. It's a societal conniption. When the dust settles, only then will we know.
     

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