John Edwards has just killed his Political Career:(

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Ganymede, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    It would be better, and more informative, to check deeper into all of the circumstances of each case than to only look at black vs. white!

    In one case, the crime might have been especially vicious and cruel. There might have been extenuating circumstances like prior convictions for vicious assaults, etc. There might have been gang affiliations. There might have been forced prostitution involved. There might have been.....(well, hopefully you get the picture).

    Just comparing black punishment to white punishment is not only wrong, it's DISinformation!!

    No, James, you can't make that comparison and glean anything of substance from it.

    Baron Max
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    If you examine enough cases, it stands to reason that the other circumstances should average out. Some murders will be more heinous than others, obviously. But we wouldn't expect murders by black people in general to be any more viscious or represensible than murders by white people on average. Of course, you might have evidence to the contrary...

    Even the pool of convicted murderers in the US is large enough to make this kind of comparison meaningful. And, indeed, such comparisons have been done.
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Just saying it, James, doesn't make it true.

    And do you have evidence to prove your view? Or do you just rely on your own feelings and prejudices? For example, you might not expect blacks to be more vicious during crimes, but the courts and the juries and the sentencing seems to show otherwise. ....and your only excuse for it is ...ooohhh, blacks are treated more harshly than whites. As I said, just saying it doesn't make it true.

    I don't know the answer, James, but neither do you ....until each case is examined and comparisons are made. And no one is doing that for fear of pissing off the blacks!

    In Jena, a few white boys hung a noose from a tree. No violence at all. But six black boys corraled one, ONE, of the white boys and beat the shit outta' him. Now ...who's more violent? And the blacks of the country march in Jena wanting justice???? What's the crime in this country for hanging a noose from a tree? ...as compared to beating the shit outta' someone?

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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Some data

    Just some data re: death penalty, severity of crime, race/ethnicity of defendant and victim.

    Dieter, Richard C. "The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides". 1998. See http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=539&scid=45

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  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Your little chart says nothing about "severity of crime" that I could see. But from all I've read and seen on the news, blacks are far more likely to be overly or severely vicious in their crimes than whites. Where a white man might shoot a victim, the black will pistol whip him, kick him while he's down, then shoot him a dozen times or so!

    With that in mind, it's not surprising that juries are more strict in the penalty phase of the trials. But see, no one that I know has ever done such a thorough study in that vein, so we're just left to filter through the news as best we can.

    And as I said earlier ...a few white boys in Jena hang a noose from a tree. Oh, the horrors of such a terrible crime, huh? But when six black boys beat the living shit outta' one of the white boys, all the blacks in the entire nation want the black boys to be freed ......and they call that justice?!

    Baron Max
     
  9. [a-5] Sex machine, coin operated. Registered Senior Member

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    Lol Racist!!!
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Is that good or bad? And why?

    Baron Max
     
  11. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    If you believe blacks are getting the sentences they deserve because of their allegedly violent nature, then how do you explain the imbalance in sentences and arrests for a non-violent crime like possession of drugs?

    African American make up a little over 12 percent of the population and according to all the studies I've seen are no more likely to be using drugs than whites but they account for about 38 percent of drug arrests and about 59 percent of convictions.
     
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  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Baron Max:

    Burying your head in the sand makes you look stupid.
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Idiocy as performance art is generally idiotic

    You should try reading the rest of the report. Or, at least, noting the excerpt. To reiterate:

    The performance art value of repeatedly asserting through your actions that you're not smart is a dubious effect. Idiocy as performance art is generally idiotic; you're not good enough at it to make up the difference.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Prior arrests, with no convictions, or didn't even make it to court. Those prior bad acts are just one of many considerations used by juries and courts to set the sentencing phase.

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  16. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    And are the cops in making arrests are aware of that? Because the arrest rates are higher too.
     
  17. otheadp Banned Banned

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    i didn't realize he had one.
    no one is taking him seriously - not even the Left
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Do you really think that the cops don't know who the scumbags are that live and operate in their cities? Many of those scumbags have been arrested a thousand times, then the courts return them to the streets to do it all again. It usually catches up to them ...and they finally go where they belong.

    Baron Max
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the fact that you would ask that is scary
     
  20. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    Obviously they don't know or don't care--since the data show that whites are using drugs at least as much as blacks but blacks are more likely to get arrested for it.
     
  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know how this got turned into a drug issue, but....

    One simple reason for what you say, ....whites who use drugs do it in the comforts of their homes, hidden from view as much as possible. For the cops to do anything, they need warrants, which require extensive evidence before a judge will sign that warrant.

    Blacks deal drugs openly on the streets of the ghettos, and users shoot up in the alleys and on the streets openly, completely disregarding the police patrols. The blacks are in public where the cops don't need warrants, etc., they just pick 'em up on the public streets!

    Baron Max
     
  22. Panjabster Registered Member

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    Dude, it's like this: African-Americans are 13% of American population, but make up 50% of American prison population. I blame it on cultural depravation. John Edwards was saying that he wants to improve their culture so as to decrease crime rate. Whether he will actually do it, or is just bullcrapping to get Black votes is a different matter.
     
  23. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Coming from the person who says Edwards just destroyed his whole career by this one, simple comment? :bugeye:
     

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