Jews antisemitism and sciforums

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  1. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    It does look pretty cool yeah, its probably some kind of screen capture software / browser plug in.
     
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  3. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Aye. You'll be waiting a long time, I'm afraid. I have to be in a certain kind of mood.

    *chuckles* yes, it is, but it's rather amusing of you to say such a thing as if you could actually figure them out.

    Sorry girl. You aren't in that league.
     
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  5. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Well, at the very least you'll give it your best shot.

    No, not really. Watching you rying to understand something is like watching a chicken scratching in the dirt for worms and coming up with dry roots.

    No. Pointing out that you, the supposedly compassionate type, brushed it off as nothing.
    I did not ask for any cause to be taken up. Causes are your bailiwick.

    Which I already had done...

    Gustav, here's a little clue for you. If I stand against a thing, that does not mean I champion the opposite.
    Nor would you and yours ever be worthy of "my best".

    Well, you struck home here.
    You don't decry anything, you just watch everyone else do it, and then yap away from behind their ankles.

    I sincerely apologise.

    Of course. If one does it, it's peacockery. If another, it's laudable.
    The Blackadder quote, Gustav. Do try to grasp the situation. There's a good little chihuahua.
     
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  7. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Heh. How many years did you have to go back to find that?
    That chicken done dug him a hole to China.

    And still no worm.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    PMS is a bitch?
     
  9. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Aha! and we're down to schoolyard taunts.

    Does this mean I won?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure why not?

    /pats head

    feel better?
     
  11. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Stop pretending, SAM.

    Nighty night.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    I don't know Sam. Only you know the real answer to that at this moment in time. But to me, it feels like there is something underlying your true motive.

    I guess one could say that my agenda senses are tingling.

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    I am not ignoring the context. It is the nitpicking part that I find a tad disconcerting in this instance. It seems to me that it has been blown out of proportion and from where I am sitting, it has been mentioned too many times to count. References back to the "nitpicking".. just to make sure it remains alive. Threads asking what we've learned about Jews.. again, the sly pointing fingers back to that original "nitpicking" incident.

    What have we learned about Jews? That they are human as everyone else and open to fault like everyone else. No one is perfect. That was repeated several times in that particular thread.

    This thread is nothing more than a 'if others can say this or that about one religious group, then I should be allowed to dredge up stuff and generalise about this other group'. And then protests come up when people rebel against such a line of reasoning. Yes, the accounts of some Jews and their actions against other Jews is abhorrent. We all accept that. Move on. The behaviour of those few is not an indication of the morality of the whole. But it seems that the subject just won't drop. So we get threads asking us what we learned about Jews and then this thread asking why discussions about Jews in general aren't tolerated on this forum.

    As I pointed out earlier, threads about Jews are not disallowed. When they are started in protest, then one tends to think that there is an ulterior motive at play and protests about why one cannot be allowed to be anti-semitic would be amusing if it just weren't so blatantly obvious.

    I had assumed my earlier points were blatantly obvious. It would seem I was mistaken.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Or vice versa

    But apparently, it can only be looked at in one direction.

    Which is the point.

    I guess we could just about do anything but address the issue raised.
     
  14. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, no. That is, considering that popular perception does indeed have it's uses on occasion. New Englanders, irrespective of education or lack, are popularly perceived as being a "tolerant" (ahem) lot.
     
  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Funnily enough, Joey's wrong in both cases. Dictator-like fashion would be one forced rule applied to all. The simplest method of being a dictatorate here at sciforums would be just to write specific rules that scripts handle. This would mean you wouldn't be able to swear at one another, in fact to attempt to would probably generate a counter which when it reached a certain point would auto-ban you.

    You can't argue with autonomy, you can't negotiate with it, you can call it names and it won't respond. What sort of fun would you have then Joey? No responses, no human interaction... a quite fizzle as your input and existance on this site is slowly erased.

    As for Communism, No. That requires a dictator, if I was to apply my own "Utopian" outlook, everyone would have the right to vote on "policies" and make decisions about how their governments work. It's as true a democracy view point can go, it's not communism because it's not forced on anyone, in fact it would work well with small state or county systems because if the majority of people in that area want to roll with something differently to the rest of the country, so be it.

    I'd want the abolishment of "heads of state", they always seem to cause problems with each other and get an entire country in trouble just because the premiere of this or that country looked at them boss-eyed. Making all countries run "headless"... which most would refer to as "Anarchy" (Don't [Meh!... I guess thats a dictation] picture cartoon headless chickens running back and forth bumping into each other, to understand why people call it anarchy.)

    To be honest I'd also push towards Transhumanism, since it opens whole new avenues by potential increasing our lives by moving towards housing ourselves in machines. A robot could then be remotely controlled from our housed brains to function as our avatar amongst the "living", which could be upgraded over time and even extended to be used further a field, like for instance missions to deep space. (No need to worry about oxygen, water or food, just energy and the capability of being able to repair the systems should they be damaged, but since anyone could potential take over such and Avatar, it would make it possible to get an engineer or someone trained in the area thats required to take over.)

    These are the main reasons I find Religion and Racism as absurdly stupid, since the potential future would prove them to be just that.

    (Incidentally if anyone see's any worth in this post, please either PM me or suggest a new thread)
     
  16. Gustav Banned Banned

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    sure
    you won
    your self serving platitudes has obviously overwhelmed me
    hail you
    now mince the fuck out of here
     
  17. Gustav Banned Banned

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    sorry
    i see a single thread asking in the tt...."What have people learned from my threads on Jews and Israel?". it now behooves me to ask the obvious question.... why do you exaggerate? what agenda do you have?


    what would you have sam do when you and i directly pose questions to sam regarding that matter? why would you characterize a response to our questions as sly? i mean, look and follow the pattern of the thread...


    it is pretty clear to me sam again simply responds to questions posed
    she did not bring up this matter on her own initiative

    it is also interesting to contrast our rhetoric (keywords i note are "exceptional times" "nobody is perfect" etc) towards these collaborators with that of those actually present at that time. those who, in real time, had to deal with the consequences of the collaborators actions.

    lets look at an account given by a Prof. Israel Shahak

    I disagree with the opinion of Haim Baram that the Israeli education system has managed to instill a 'Holocaust awareness' in its pupils (Kol Ha'Ir 12.5.89). It's not an awareness of the Holocaust but rather the myth of the Holocaust or even a falsification of the Holocaust (in the sense that 'a half-truth is worse than a lie') which has been instilled here.

    As one who himself lived through the Holocaust, first in Warsaw then in Bergen-Belsen, I will give an immediate example of the total ignorance of daily life during the Holocaust. In the Warsaw ghetto, even during the period of the first massive extermination (June to October 1943), one saw almost no German soldiers. Nearly all the work of administration, and later the work of transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their deaths, was carried out by Jewish collaborators. Before the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the planning of which only started after the extermination of the majority of Jews in Warsaw), the Jewish underground killed, with perfect justification, every Jewish collaborator they could find. If they had not done so the Uprising could never have started. The majority of the population of the Ghetto hated the collaborators far more than the German Nazis. Every Jewish child was taught, and this saved the lives of some them "if you enter a square from which there are three exits, one guarded by a German SS man, one by an Ukrainian and one by a Jewish policeman, then you should first try to pass the German, and then maybe the Ukrainian, but never the Jew".

    One of my own strongest memories is that, when the Jewish underground killed a despicable collaborator close to my home at the end of February 1943, I danced and sang around the still bleeding corpse together with the other children. I still do not regret this, quite the contrary.

    It is clear that such events were not exclusive to the Jews, the entire Nazi success in easy and continued rule over millions of people stemmed from the subtle and diabolical use of collaborators, who did most of the dirty work for them. But does anybody now know about this? This, and not what is 'instilled' was the reality. Of the Yad Vashem (official state Holocaust museum in Jerusalem - Ed.) theatre, I do not wish to speak at all. It, and its vile exploiting, such as honouring South Africa collaborators with the Nazis are truly beneath contempt.

    Therefore, if we knew a little of the truth about the Holocaust, we would at least understand (with or without agreeing) why the Palestinians are now eliminating their collaborators. That is the only means they have if they wish to continue to struggle against our limb-breaking regime. (link)​


    we are defending murderers no matter what the circumstance while at least one survivor is not so forgiving. rather ironic and one hell of a contrast

    i would like all the armchair apologetics for the collaborator cause to make their case to actual holocaust survivors. that outta be good for a laugh
     
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  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    we love you, stryder, so.....
    wipe joey off the face of sci
    james's reticence to ban the guy, you feeding a troll, is really whacked

    "In favor of showing contempt towards stryder?"


    delete that shit now!
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    /sneaks out the back door
     
  20. Gustav Banned Banned

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    lets all take a deep breath, a step back and then start from scratch
    a clean slate

    leave aside the pathetic psychoanalysis and consider posts on conceptual, logical and empirical grounds only. its own merits.
    are the premises viable? are they factually referenced? any logical inconsistencies in reasoning? any whatnot?

    your good/bad faith criteria is a slippery slope and i predict you guys will end up looking like a bunch of inept backroom shrinks

    neither of the two threads in question should have been locked

    with all due respect to my big sister.....


    less of that please
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Gustav, if this
    were more completely representative of the 61k, the discussion here would be different.

    I'd be able to pick a side, anyway, and agree with this:
    without equivocation.
     
  22. Gustav Banned Banned

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    interesting
    the content of any given thread is not judged on its own merits but rather thru its priors
    quite refreshingly unscientific i must say
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If there was not a tendency to lock down threads on Jews and Israel on any pretext whatsoever, we wouldn't need to "pick a side". Ideally there shouldn't have to be "side" to pick.

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    Or do you disagree that the standards are different? That some threads are held to higher "standards" than others?

    Consider this:

    How many other threads have been closed in world events and politics for these reasons? There are three moderators in the forum and yet they seem to have no opinions on the issues at all
     
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