Jesus was a Normal Homosexual Man

How do you know that all men who have no interest in getting married/interloping with the opposite gender are homosexual?

For instance do you consider the Dalai Lama a homosexual?

Do you consider Gandhi's move towards celibacy later in life a result of homosexuality?

 

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tiassa, you are way off the deep end here. first of all, babies have a richer sex life because they're not jaded yet. secondly, i don't have a problem with homosexuals any more than i have a problem with heterosexuals. i think that the whole concept of some inherent sexual orientation is rubbish. thirdly, i don't advocate rape in any capacity. and fourthly, i don't determine my self worth by whether someone else wants to have sex with me. for god's sake i was intentionally celibate for 8 years! and it was and extremely enlightening experience in regards to my self worth too.

 

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no man, i'm saying he was human, but born without the birth defect that the bible calls sin.

 

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Do I sense a perversion in your logic?

Yes, I do and what a question to ask as if we could read the mind of Gandhi.

 

The creation story has been debunked, Lori. Sin is a lie told in dishonesty and didn't come from an honest God.

 

If you follow logic it is just impossible .

 

The greatest gift?

If we take jaded to mean limited according to aesthetic priorities, then I have no reason to disagree.

Specifically, they have not yet learned to focus their pleasure centers around their genitals. You know, like ... oh, what was the line? Ah, here it is: "penis + vagina = sex. that's it." See, babies haven't yet learned to drive themselves insane with such strange standards.

Which is why you advocate an equal standard for homosexuals and heterosexuals: Have sexual intercourse you don't like.

Unless, of course, that orientation is "heterosexual"?

Survey says!

"i'm not insecure. i just don't think the decision should come down to whether or not i have a vagina. that should be a given...a non-issue. i've had a gay guy want to have sex with me. i couldn't handle it."​

What someone likes and feels comfortable with is a non-issue?

Let's check a larger version of the script:

Lori: you know, it's all what you get used to. some people survive on whale blubber and raw fish. some people like monkey brains. i used to hate green peppers, but it bugs me when i don't like certain foods. so i started forcing myself to eat them, like on pizza and as an ingredient in cooked foods to acclimate myself to the taste. then on salads. now i can eat them raw and by themselves and i love em.

String: Great. That's so big of you. So, should gay men be forced to have sex with women to make sure that you are satisfied with their lives?

I've had sex with a number of women (back when I was a teenager). I hated it. I did it because I thought, "Well, this is what guys do. . . so I have to do it." Sometime, Lori, all the "trying" in the world won't make a person like something. I was forced to eat Salisbury Steak as a kid. Periodically I've gone back and tried it again, only to confirm that--YEP--I still hate it.

Lori: the only thing it has to do with me, is that a gay man won't have sex with me just because i'm a woman, barring any other quality or trait or characteristic that i might have.

String: Christ! You are insecure.

Yes, Lori, gay men won't have sex with you. That's why they are gay.

I want to hear this from you, do you REALLY think that gay men should be "required" to have sex with women, despite what they do or do not want to do?

Lori: i'm not insecure. i just don't think the decision should come down to whether or not i have a vagina. that should be a given...a non-issue. i've had a gay guy want to have sex with me. i couldn't handle it ....

.... i don't think that anyone should be required to do anything.​

There is a curious discord about your argument. Gay men are misogynists because they won't fuck women; gay men should force themselves to fuck women; what people enjoy and feel comfortable with is a non-issue. But you don't think anyone should be required to do anything.

Ah, I see. So homosexuals should either be celibate or rape bait in order that you can feel more secure about your pussy.

Sorry. Your argument just doesn't work.

Lori, I'm sorry, but that's analogous to telling someone you're not violent after trying to beat them for no good reason. You are the one who looked past the words of gay men in order to accuse genderism. You are the one who looked at the idea that a gay man can be friends with a woman without wanting to bang her and decided that it was wrong, wrong, wrong. You are the one who is upset that it's your womanhood—as opposed to your intelligence or personality—that makes you undesirable to some men. (Any number of fitting observations about those criteria might go here.) You are the one disappointed at being viewed as a human being and not a mere sex object.

So you were intentionally celibate for eight years. Congratulations. Now what? I mean, it would seem in your mind that proves something. But the most apparent thing at this point is that, after eight years of obsessing over denying your vagina, you're now obsessing on its magnanimity.

Whatever God's greatest gift to the living Universe, I'm pretty sure it wasn't your pussy.

 

Sometimes I wish I were gay.

 

Oli would say something like " How can I prove with evidence from that something which does not exist"?

How did I do?

 

All of which keeps her
a
woman.

 

2 Peter 2:4, NASB
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

I guess God turned them loose after his tryst with Mary.

 

Oh, you don't know that. Just because stories have parallels to other stories does not mean they did not happen. There are many explanations for why two stories have similarities.

I've seen prodigal sons return.
I have seen women lead men astray. (and the reverse of course, perhaps more often).
I have seen people follow voices, a la Noah, and create things that others first mocked and later appreciated.

Please. It is a very old fallacy that when something resembles something else it must be, really, that other thing.

At least you could present the idea as a possibility instead of stating it like you know.

 

Well, the lack of understanding is yours. And the ignorance too.

Do a little reading, pick up a book. You'll find no credible psychologist who believes that homosexuality is a choice.

Nobody "controls" what they are and are not attracted to. It's innate to their personality.

I'm not attracted to vaginas. I believe you're playing stupid, or maybe it's not an act, but whatever, but you're pulling this act to support your idiotic claims. You also failed to answer my question. Do you or do you not believe that I should take a pill, or some other object to force myself to have sex with a woman despite the fact that I find females sexually unattractive.

One more time and hopefully you'll absorb this easy little fact: People have tastes. Don't even try to sell me on the bullshit that you like every single thing on earth. By saying, for example, I don't like cake (yes, yes, we aren't discussing cake, and despite your inability to understand the concept of a "comparison" it's still apt), it doesn't mean that cake is bad. I just don't like it.

[funny thing, in Mexican Spanish "biscocho" means cake and vagina!]

~String

 

Can you support that?

I can support my point of view: simple. Talk to gay people. Read what they say. Then take a trip to a shrink and ask them. The two experts on this issue (psychologists and... GAY PEOPLE) disagree with you. You've come to your view because you are offended and appalled by the fact that there's a man who isn't wowed by your vagina. Perish the thought!

~String

 

insane? sexual intercourse is a cause for insanity? that's ridiculous.

the question is this...why in the hell wouldn't you like it? the truth is, that unless something is wrong with your body, or wrong with your perception, there is nothing to not like. a woman rubbing on it feels just as good as a man rubbing on it. people have "intercourse" with inanimate objects for god's sake, and that feels good. i'm sorry, but it's a legitimate question...why jump through hoops to avoid having sexual intercourse? if there's something wrong with you physically it causes you physical pain. if there's something wrong with you mentally and/or emotionally it causes you mental and/or emotional pain. there's still something wrong.

no. you're obviously not listening to what i'm saying. i spent the better part of my life thinking i was a heterosexual. because you know, that's what people like me do. and do you want to know what it was in my life that had the biggest impact on my "sexuality"? my lesbian friend. i found myself in conversations on the topic feeling like a hypocrite for embracing the same ideologies towards women as she does towards men. which forced me to change my perspective, in response to logic and truth.

i didn't need a recap on the conversation, i remember it, and your conclusions are shit. what my point is and was, is that it is all perspective. if you believe that women or men are gross from a sexual standpoint, simply because they are men or women, you're wrong, and you're believing a lie. here's a great example...

trent reznor did a peta spot all up in arms about how they kill and eat dogs in china. he's not a fucking vegetarian. we do the same damn thing to all the cows and pigs and chickens he eats over here. the only difference is, that he's emotionally attached to dogs. he keeps them as pets. it's a retarded standpoint.

what a crock of shit. people should be able to be friends with all kinds of other people without wanting to "bang them" as you so eloquently put it. and this doesn't have a damn thing to do with my intelligence and personality when a gay man says "regardless of that, i won't be sexually intimate with you because, and only because, you have a vagina". the point is, that i don't think anyone, regardless of their gender, should be viewed as a sex object. i think people should be viewed as human beings.

magnanimity? are you serious? it should be a non-issue. it should be a given. and it's the "sexually oriented" people who insist that it's not.

 

oh bullshit...it's innate to their perceptions, and perceptions are NOT innate. i'm so sick of people's emotionality. "my wittle feewings. i must coddle them. i must stroke them. i must legitimize them." when a lot of the time feelings are based upon lies. emotions and feelings have nothing to do with logic and truth.

you want to know what i don't like? i don't like it when i see people, including myself, led around on a leash by their "feelings". i also don't like it when people discriminate against other human beings because of physical traits, like gender.

 

i am and have been good friends with many gay people. one of my best friend's is a lesbian, and trust me, it doesn't take a fucking psychologist to figure her out. i'm not offended or appalled, and it doesn't have anything to do with my vagina. it has to do with the fact that the human body, male and female, is something to be in awe of. male and female, humans are beautiful in many ways, and none of those ways are contingent upon their gender. sex and the manifestations of such are beautiful and something to be in awe of. and it's a damn shame that some people reduce it down to what they reduce it down to.

 

just to say that not all info about jesus was put into the bible..
there are some texts that didn't make it into the bible that make referance to mary (the prostitute) as his love interest..

as far as your 'son of man' statement being normal like us..
couldn't it also be viewed as we are just like him?

 

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What does marriage have to do with anything

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Jesus was whatever you want Him (or Her) to be. I mean, it's all Harry Potter anyway.

 

imo, marriage and sex are the same thing. sex is what distinguishes marriage from any other type of relationship. sex is the consecration of marriage.