Jesus and the Cross

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Bowser, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It is my tentative view that the Sun on the Cross, hence the human god on a cross idea must have been arrived at and or written about from a position (latitude) close to the great pyramid as this is where the "Sun on the cross" can be observed. It may be that the human gods built on astrology idea came from that latitude.
    Alex
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps surprisingly to some, Crux can be seen in parts of the Northern hemisphere, for at least part of the year...eg: Hawaii.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So Hawaii is around 20 degrees North Latitude, that would also include Northern Africa, which formed part of the Roman empire

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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I read something that suggested that the Sun appears on the "Cross" mid winter where it appears to "die" ie it appears to stop it's journey South where it seems to stay put for three days before heading back North and that such will be observed from the region of the Great Pyramid...now I can't find that article but I keep meaning to look at a planetarium to see if that is so and if there are other spots where such and observation could be made and in general test the idea..however I don't get around to it and wait until I find something on the net...it's not a priority but the implications are interesting.
    Alex
     
  8. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure you'll forgive me not remembering your background, as I've told you directly that I'm not a Catholic, nor even a Christian.
    http://sciforums.com/threads/the-parable-of-the-absent-parents.162790/page-6#post-3622283 (last paragraph)
    I must have confused you with someone else. Mea culpa.

    I'm not that versed in Catholicism. "Mortal" as in "the wages of sin is death".

    It's only real absolution if there is genuine contrition and atonement, which would preclude repeat offense. This is why Catholic confession seems rather superficial to other denominations. So most denominations would likely agree with you on that count.

    You'd probably have to ask a Catholic.

    If anything, religion is the only cultural influence that actively promotes voluntary contrition and atonement. Heck, even AA, with their step to make amends, usually meet in churches.
     
  9. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Hi Bowser,

    Old Testament Prophecy is one reason among many others, that I trust in God. And this was no mere man that died for us. It was the very God who made us.

    Did you also know that the Mountain of God has been discovered in Saudi Arabia?

    Over 3000 years ago the Gospel was placed in symbolic form on that Mountain as a Prophecy and a Testament to the World.

    Hospital Death experiences where people have died on the operating table and been brought back are also very real and strong evidence for life after death.

    My Dad was healed physically by God, through a miracle.

    And there is so much more evidence for God.

    God Bless You!
     
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  10. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    He has been permanently banned.
    You are not familiar with the multitude of human gods with the same MO which on any reasonable assessment calls the whole story into question...well of course I know your answer but I had to put it out there...I like studying the history and the links to astrology and wonder why believers never find out the apparent true story.
    No..I thought there were a couple...lucky they found it..
    Mmmm do you think so?
    I guess it is if you want to believe it's more than it presumably is.
    He was lucky most folk need a doctor.
    I know but I never get to see any.
    Alex
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, and here we are, paying for medical insurance, hospital bills, medications and a bloated system when all the while God could just heal us all. Maybe Seti could explain why we just don't close down all the hospitals and fire all the doctors? Maybe he could also explain why there are currently around 360,000 Covid 19 deaths?

    Or, maybe he just cease and desist his ignorant, callous and idiotic claims?
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Well, his understanding of religion does not seem to have grown much since converting from atheism. Of course, crackpots who need to redefine religion↗, to simplify↗, in order to have an argument at all↗, because otherwise it's just too hard to be a ranting bigot, might not notice the lack of difference.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Converting from atheism would mean one had lost their reason, logic, rationale, integrity and sanity.

    Could you point out exactly where Seti was redefining religion?
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    With reading comprehension like that, don't be surprised that anyone might find your assessments and definitions unreliable.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, you're saying Seti was not redefining religion? Why bother wasting everyone's time with such a pointless comment then? You're the one always complaining about the content being posted here, then you turn around and do it yourself. Hypocrite.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Here, let's go through it:

    Well, his understanding of religion does not seem to have grown much since converting from atheism. Of course, crackpots who need to redefine religion↗, to simplify↗, in order to have an argument at all↗, because otherwise it's just too hard to be a ranting bigot, might not notice the lack of difference.

    (#50↑)

    The first sentence in that responds to you, when you commented that maybe SA6 "just cease and desist his ignorant, callous and idiotic claims". What I said is that SA6's understanding of religion does not seem to have grown much since converting from atheism. The second sentence acknowledges "crackpots who need to redefine religion, to simplify, in order to have an argument at all", and observes they might not notice the lack of difference. That is to say, they might not notice the lack of difference about SA6's understanding. Moreover, that sentence links to three posts, as examples, that are not written by SA6. More particularly, you wrote them. And the thing is, you already know this, because we went through it back in March↗.

    So, like I said: With reading comprehension like that, don't be surprised that anyone might find your assessments and definitions unreliable.

    Then again, the reliability of your assessments was already in doubt, because you apparently need to dumb down what religion is in order to be able to criticize it.

    As to what I was saying about our neighbor, SA6, I can clarify by reaching back to November↗ and simply reiterating what I told someone else:

    • If you go back in site history to SA6's conversion, you might find he is very much akin to Poe's Law insofar as his religious utterances have generally read more like atheistic parodies of faith; its kind of hard to tell the difference 'twixt the before and after. Our neighbor might be genuine, as such, and thus a living example of why some people need religion. But, remember, his former atheism was overcome by this sort of balbutive, and over the years he has not really gotten any better at it. And I still don't understand why people let themselves be led around like this, except maybe I do, but they wouldn't like the explanation.​

    You managed to set yourself up in an unenviable position: Either your reading comprehension is so awry, or else you really are that clumsy and brutish in your zeal. These years later, you certainly haven't gotten any smarter about it.
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That's hilarious, you actually believe Seti converted from atheism? He would have had to have lost his mind considering how deluded, ignorant and incapable of rational thought to have ever been an atheist. He was never an atheist, that's far too obvious. It's hard to believe you actually thought he was. How naive could you be.

    No idea what you're talking about. "We" have never been through anything of the sort, whatever you believe that is. I don't redefine religion, I respond to what people say about their beliefs. And, if you can find anywhere where I have actually redefined religion, please do post it here or shut the fuck up.

    Ah yes, the typical egocentric, narcissistic, I'm-smarter-than-everyone-else bullshit you always spout, continuously having to reaffirm that we're all dolts and you're the forums intellectual giant we should all bow down and praise because our content is beneath you. How bitter and pathetic you've gotten over the years.
     
  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Since I linked to the example, I think you need to answer. You even quoted the links. Lying is not a useful argument, (Q).

    It's not that I'm smarter than everyone else; Sciforums is a small marketplace, and while you're just not that good at this stuff in general, you did actually fail rather particularly with that clumsy but believable pretense of stupidity.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Here's what I said: believing in God IS religion

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    ere's the online definition: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

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    o, how the fuck did I redefine religion?

    Yet, you want to make sure everyone knows it.

    And, there you go again. So bitter, so pathetic.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I did post a sketch of that, over six years ago↗, but you just ducked out↗. And as I said back then↗, it certainly makes it easier to criticize "religion" if you have no obligation to comprehend what you're criticizing.

    Are you actually going to do anything more than pick fights and cry↗? I mean, you did say something about infinite brawling, but that also seems more your specialty.

    (Yes, really: Your return performance↗ certainly wasn't constructive; in fact, that's↗ pretty↗ much↗ how↗ you↗ roll↗°.)​

    Meanwhile, vis à vis this thread, raising Bowser, as some have, or SetiAlpha6, as some sort of idols is no more productive than elevating Jan, or any other meaningless balbutive some people apparently don't know any better than to take seriously. SA6 was not convincing as a witness unto Christ, struck his best rhythm in his later agnostic turned cynical anti-Christian period, and has been a Poe's Law paper doll in his reaffirmed faith. Bowser, for his part, was pushing an increasingly superficial alt-troll routine, and there is some complicated history about how his behavior finally became his downfall, but he had previously found defenders willing to tolerate it for the sake of other sympathies.

    I have noted before that some seem so anxious to be led around by bullshit in order to complain about theists, they will let anybody pretending a halfassed whiff of religion say whatever. That's probably more important a consideration on occasions when people pretend some care about the harms inflicted by religious belief and behavior; those in for the infinite brawl will continue to seize any halfassed whiff of a pretense for an excuse.
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    ° I'm not overlooking when you turned your form toward Trump and white supremacism↗, but no, you don't get a medal for that one; and, sure, there was the bit about baseball, but even that was just a cheap joke↗.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Please reduce this to specifics. As you may suspect those who reject religion consider it unworthy of serious involvement and perhaps being on that side of the fence I can understand that approach and indeed accept it to be reasonable. You seem to be prepared to extend a serious consideration of religion suggesting you think it deserves a better treatement than it is given by the ignorant Athiest...what approach should the athiest take if he thinks he is dealing with nonsense and make believe..is there a respect you contend that should be extended to a theist and if so what is it in your view. I am not entirely sure what it is that you expect and although you are most eloquent in expression I find I can not identify exactly what it is that you expect..I know it must be me but perhaps you could take some time to explain your view upon religion generally. I expect your education and background has given you an approach that say someone such as myself, a poorly educated person, has not had opportunity to understand.. what I expect must be some higher level of assessment that in my case I simply do not see..Is it wrong or rather uninformed to regard religion as just some superstitious hang on from our past..can anything positive be said for it in your view?
    Indeed it may be political cement but at it's core are we not dealing with make believe to manage humans.
    Alex
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, you're obsessing over something you posted but didn't get a response to over six years ago? That's creepy.

    Says the guy who obsesses by following me around crying and trying to pick a fight because I ignored his post six years ago. Really creepy.

    Says the guy who obsesses by following me around about something that happened six years ago. Creepy.

    So, you're obsessing about me to tell me how I roll? Still creepy.​

    You appear to be under the impression that I actually care what you think
    Well, we can't all be intellectual giants like you.
     

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