Japanese solution?

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  1. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    Would love to have gotten a direct answer, but that's OK
    I believe this would be the correct wiki article
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radionuclide

    Still irks me that the news just says "radiation" and not "clouds containing barium-133" or whatever
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  5. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    I thought about a sealed underground bunker seaside, that was capable of being flooded at will, though I would imagine this would cause problems of its own.

    I do like that word spall, though haven't heard it often, where's that dictionary . . .

    Thanks for the informative update adoucette.

    Great link joepistole.
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Uranium & plutonium are the radioactive elements used in nuclear reactors. This data is a bit difficult to find in some of the links posted. I think there are some other radioactive materials which could be used, but am not sure. Uranium & plutonium are used due to being the best for the purpose. There might be some radioactive elements which are better (radium, perhaps), but are not available in large enough quantities.

    Plutonium is only used in Breeder reactors. It is produced by the reactor & then used for fuel.

    Breeder reactors have a lot of advantages, but are a small percentage of existing reactors. The plutonium produced is used in nuclear weapons & politicians pay too much attention to those who are hysterical about nuclear anything, especially weapons.

    We should be using more nuclear power.
    Nuclear reactors cannot explode like nuclear weapons. There are ignoranuses (deliberate misspelling) who do not know this.

    Nuclear accidents are exaggerated by the news mdeia. They are financial disasters, but not human death/injury disasters. A plane crash or fire in a residential area can easily cause more death & injury than a nuclear power plant accident.

    Wind tubines & other methods advocated by the green people might never be practical.

    Nuclear actually causes less environmental impact than fossil fuels.

    In 1000 years nuclear will not kill or sicken more than a very small percentage of those affected by the coal industry. I am not familiar with any data, but nuclear might have a slightly better health record than the petroleum industry. Refinery fires do not capture the imagination like nuclear disasters.

    It is silly to continue depending so heavily on oil.

    The radioactive waste from a breeder reactor is much less radioactive than the waste from an ordinary reactor, cutting down considerably on the problems of disposal & long term storage.

    France gets about 75% of its power from nuclear & has had no serious problems so far.

    Nuclear power plants in the Ring of Fire seem to require much different designs & far more extensive safety precautions than plants built elsewhere. This is a no brainer & not just hindsight.

    I am astonished that the Japanese plants seem to be pretty much the same as nuclear plants elsewhere. I wonder if the US has any near seismic faults. I know there are some plants in California, but am not sure how close they are to the San Andreas & other faults.​
     
  8. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well,
    right now japan needs special suits for it nuclear plant workers.

    That Means suits that are capable of deflecting harmful radiation, so that requires suits that carry a electric charge a 50,000 volts or greater. with such chagres beta, xrays and harmful alpha particles and such can be deflected away from workers wearing the suits.

    The problem is that no suits have been manufactured.

    What may work in place of such suits for the plant workers, is sheilds that have a arch of which the sheilds are attached to a line of current, the sheild projects the charge accross the sheild and into the direction from which particles and radiation is coming providing protection.

    Such sheild could be placed in front of places or areas where work must be done or around equipment that needs work or may be in danger of radiation causeing disfunction.

    Since they now have a power supply such a barrier sheild is actually quite possible if they think to do it.

    Where is GUNDAM right now.:shrug:
    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Our Diablo Canyon nuclear plant in San Luis Obispo County is near the San Andreas and three other faults. It was supposedly built to withstand an earthquake of magnitude 7.5, but there is some controversy over that. The original design was for 6.75 and when the fourth fault was discovered the design was supposed to have been upgraded. The NRC is withholding renewal of its operation permit pending resolution of this issue.

    The plant is on the beach and uses seawater for cooling. One of the units was taken offline for two days in 2008 when its intake was clogged with jellyfish.
     
  10. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Hello,

    Sorry I am not technical but logically, I think two things are needed. one to cool reactor another to stop radiation or radioactive material(?) spread. Since nuclear tests are carried over either in sand or in sea, why dumping of reactors(intact or in parts or otherwise) into the sea can't help(obiously if they don't mind in losing the reactors or causing some harm to sea)?
     
  11. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Data wise correct but ordinary bombs caused more harm than atom bomb but still no one would like atom bombs. Vehicle accidents can be more but still plane & roket traveling can be considered as more risky so comparatively less preferable.
     
  12. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, most likly they do not want dump the materials in to the sea because there are many tons of radioactive material. (more than 100,000 tons)
    Also another reason is because radiation makes more radation, It is kind of speads like a viurs.

    Right now the workers need to stop the raidation from killing them, since they have to work so close to places spreading radaiton. most radiation is beta raidation which basically a type of electron, beta is like 250 times more stronger than a electron.
    To protect their bodies they need a equal charge of energy, to push the radiation away from them, this works because like charges repell each other.
    Since they don,t have suits or can make them wihtin a day, they have to make sheilds that have energy charge that will repell beta radiation. So that they can go to work at close ranges.
    For most radaiations a charge of 50,000 volts, but a voltage of 12,500 volts will provide protection from most Beta radiations.

    I would also say that reactor 3 has just released black smoke, which suggest that a precentage of spent fuel rods have reached a end phase in decay and released Carbon

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Please (please please) stop posting Dwayne.
    For the sake of our sanity if nothing else.
     
  14. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well,Dywyddyr

    Let me say this, you will never in your lifetime have the chance to talk to someone as intelligently advanced as me.
    you struggle just talkling


    from. DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  15. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Ha-Ha-Ha!!!!!

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    Still the same self-proclaimed genius, I see - that actually knows just about NOTHING!:bugeye:

    Want to tell us again about your home-tutoring be high-ranking military officers? Or would you rather I spill the beans publicly about your private "condition"? (You know very well what I mean.)
     
  16. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    That's an awfully nasty way of dealing with this.

    Personally? if someone bugs me I put them on ignore, and if you don't think any particular person adds to the convo, I suggest you do so also.
     
  17. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Dwaynes' misinformation is really funny really. It reminds me of some 'O' level chemistry papers my old prof had kept as a joke. Some of the answers were cosmically out of orbit!
     
  18. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's not nasty at all. If you'd been here long enough to know his history you would know full well what I was talking about. He HAS claimed *many* times that he's FAR smarter than anyone else here, that he's a genius and that he was taught at home by HIGH-ranking military officers.
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, haven't we previously heard your (inflated) claims of IQ?
    Don't make me go there. You'd be (unpleasantly) surprised.
    And you're right. I have extreme difficulty talkling. But not talking. Or spelling.
     
  20. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed!

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    Do you happen to recall the times he gave us his "analysis" of various planet's makeup? It was things like a layer of silicon 15 miles deep over a layer of boron 11 miles thick over a layer of germanium 7 miles thick, etc. etc.
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And his "wonderful" thread on the composition of the Moon?
    :runaway:
     
  22. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Yes!!!!

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  23. birch Valued Senior Member

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    at least dwayne is interesting. can't say that about most here.
     
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