It is OK to be gay?

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  1. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    yes has a mum it is our concern and we have rights, and we are also allowed to say "we dont want homosexuals teaching our kids" likewise you have a right to say "they can do whatever they want to do" why shouldnt perants be able to have a say about who teachers our children? i know why, because if we do we can be arrested for discrimination, has i have been.
     
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  3. mouse can't sing, can't dance Registered Senior Member

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    They can not do whatever they want. Teachers have to observe the rules the school which we, as a society, have set up for them. That means, for example, they can't beat children anymore. However, at the moment those teachers walk out of the school doors, their private lives begin. Over which you hold absolutely no reign.

    Similarly, parents too have to play by the rules. Do take in mind that the government is probably covering most of the bills for educating your children (assuming they are in public school). So, what happens in a (public) school, is not only the affair of an individual parent, it is an affair of the entire country. As it stands, the majority seems to want children to be educated without prejudice. Your view doesn't fit in with that.

    Frankly, I find it shocking that, in your view, not the quality of a person as a teacher, but rather his or her sex life takes priority. Surely, you must understand that a school, which employs teachers based on who they like to sleep with, is not necessarily the best educational facility?

    To a certain degree, you do. Obviously, parents can file complaints against teachers. Those complaints should be relevant to his or her performance as a teacher. You can't file a complaint, just because you don't like the colour of his hair or, something just as trivial, his sex partner.

    You seem to suggest that the rules are set up so that we protect homosexuals and get to be cruel to heterosexuals. That's simply not true. Imagine that a homosexual parent would complain that his (let's assume adopted) child is in a class given by a heterosexual teacher. Do you think that his complaint would be taken seriously? Of course not.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    I meant those who grow up in heterosexual homes where the parents are homophobic due to religious beliefs, etc, can and are still homosexual, in that one's upbringing and as such, their home environment, does not create homosexuals (was in reply to Norse).

    Do I think it is genetic? To be honest, I think it most probably is. I also think homosexuals are born homosexuals and do not choose to be homosexual when they reach a certain age.. as though waking up one morning and deciding to be homosexual. Some attempt to hide their true sexuality by marrying and having children, much to the detriment of everyone involved.

    I do not think a rapist or a murderer are genetically different as to make them a rapist or a murderer. Nor would I consider rape and murder to be "natural" behaviour. If it were, our jails would be empty. I would not even compare them with homosexuality.
     
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  7. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    I forgot about this one;

    First of all, Gay people are not the only people that spread AIDS, heterosexual, and just anyone who doesn't wear protection spreads AIDS.

    Demoralizing society values? What values?!!

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    We have reality shows in America and parts in the western world that use marrige as a form of entertainment. Ever heard of the "Bachelor"?

    Limiting people in choices is something I agree with on Draqon's statement. It is true and can be solved with tolerance and understanding.

    Slowing down population increase is something we should do!!! This world is way overpopulated and so that reason is redundant; Draqon also said that this would be good right now, buit in the future will lead to a population decrease.
    I strongly disagree, there is not enough gay people to make a population decrease, and even if there was a population decrease, just have more babies, it is that simple.

    No contribution to the genetic pool? So what? There is a couple billion other people out there, it does not matter.
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    They can reproduce, but they need to resort to a host. They can't naturally reproduce, not because of a disability but because YOU NEED MALES AND FEMALES TO MAKE BABIES



    Afraid of gays? LOL yea they're going to hit me with their purse. Please, man. I am disgusted by them, not afraid. That's two different things.

    Gay Men are usually feminized SEVERELY and it's simply disgusting, they lose their Manlihood.



    *Sigh*

    Homosexuality is like a disorder. People with cancer don't just accept it and live with it, they fight against it and look for cures

    If indeed you are correct, we need a cure for gays, to liberate them from this disgusting practice

    Now, onto the subject of transexuals, are you going to argue that what they do is right?
     
  9. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    Just face it, if people couldn't do what they wanted to do, then they would feel that they are being oppressed.
     
  10. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I can't kill those which I despise, I do not feel like I am being opressed however.
     
  11. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    The people who are gay would be oppressed in a gov. that banned homosexuality.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    As a parent, I agree with you that we do have rights over who teaches our children. But there are limits to those rights. For example, I cannot walk into a school and demand only female teachers are to teach my children. Nor would I want to. Nor can I demand a teacher not teach my children because they happen to sleep with someone of the same sex. If a teacher is involved in an illegal relationship, such as in a case of a paedophile, then yes, I can demand that teacher not be allowed anywhere near my child's classroom. But that would be the extent of those rights.

    Why would you feel the need to? Homosexuality is not a disease that can spread to others. Do I care if my children's teacher is homosexual? No. Nor do I care if he/she is bisexual, transexual, heterosexual. All I care about is that they are able to teach my children and are good with children.

    Our best friend is a homosexual and he is the one who normally babysits our two boys if my husband and I want to go out for a meal. He adores them and they adore him. He is wonderful with them. On New Years Eve, my husband and I went out to dinner for my birthday. My friend was also busy that night, so we left the children with their grandparents. When we returned home two hours or so later, both children looked miserable. Neither had eaten their dinner. The reason? Nan and Pop just aren't as much fun as their 'uncle' is. He plays with them. Puts the baby in the baby carrier and runs around outside chasing the two year old. He makes a game out of dinner time so both do eat. He is the only one so far who has been able to convince my 2 year old that broccoli tastes nice. My husband and I are already talking about giving him custody if the both of us were to pass away while our children are small. He is not a teacher, but if he was, I would have considered it a blessing to have someone like him teach my children. He's already taught my 2 year old to count to 10.. we only got him up to 5. I honestly think he is probably a better parent than I am.

    What a person does in the privacy of his own bedroom is really none of our business. A homosexual teacher is not harming anyone else by being a homosexual. He or she are not breaking any laws.

    Unless the teacher poses some form of harm to your child (is abusive for example), then you really don't have that much of a say in it. You cannot discriminate against a teacher because you don't like who their sleeping partner happens to be.

    How would you feel if your child's school suddenly demanded that all of the student's parents be heterosexual? You would not find that discriminatory? You wouldn't find it idiotic? A person's sexuality has no bearing on whether they are a good teacher or not. It is their training, personality and disposition that should matter. Not whether they sleep with someone of the same sex or not.
     
  13. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    What I've been trying to explain ^
     
  14. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    A homosexual teachers could plant ideas into children's brains, and teach them of the "joys of being gay" or some shit like that. woudn't be surprised
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    You're straight. Can you reproduce naturally? Or do you need a "host" to carry your spawn?

    So you're afraid they might try and turn you into a girl? Do you even know what a homosexual is? You seem obsessed with the 'purses' thing. I have known straight men who are more feminised than homosexual males.

    Did you know that in the olden days (when human beings were, well, in hindsight mostly stupid), homosexuality was seen to be a mental illness. So homosexuals were often locked up in mental institutions to undergo radical therapy (including shock treatments) in a bid to cure them of their illness. But then society became more intelligent and the scientific community also moved on and realised that homosexuality was not a disorder of any sort. Nor is it a disease like cancer. Shame everyone left you behind, eh Norse? Now can you rub those two sticks together to make fire?

    Yes. Who am I to say they are not right? Who are you to say they aren't right?

    Do you think they send the children subliminal messages in an attempt to make them gay? For what reason? To achieve what? To take over the world and make you their sex slave?

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  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    As for murderers and rapists, aggression and violence seem to have a genetic basis. Just some articles I quickly looked up:
    Researchers Discover Anxiety And Aggression Gene In Mice; Opens New Door To Study Of Mood Disorders In Humans
    Is There a Genetic Variable that Affects How Violent Individuals Behave?
    Gene Tie to Male Violence Is Studied
    Genes May Play Key Role In Impulsive Aggression in BPD


    I think homosexuality probably has some genetic factor to it.. but I have never heard of any evidence of it. Wouldn't the children of gay people then have a larger than average change to be gay as well ?

    Oh, and you forgot to take a look at post 175

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  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I can. Simple, my sperm go into my partner's eggs and fertilize it and we get a fetus which develops in her womb. However, that partner is also my lover and not some foreign body which has no relevance to me apart from being merely a tool, like in the case of gays.

    Of course, this partner is hypothetical.


    You see, I'll tolerate gay Men who act like true Men, not Women when they aren't women. Unfortunately, of this there are very few.

    Even then, I still don't like what they do but at least they aren't as bad.


    This is impossible. Going by your information here, homosexuality is "natural", but you stated or somebody did that it's because of something happening to the embryo or whatever. Obviously Humans are supposed to be straight, so what happened to make them gay? As you said, something happened to them.

    Therefore, we must reverse this, or stop it in the future.


    Oh, I don't know....it just has to do with the fact that they are, ya know, CHANGING THEIR FUCKING SEX

    Why can't they accept who they are? O yea, they are cowards, forgot. I don't think we should change what we are. Not that drastically, at least, if you are born a Male then stay a Male, fucking freaks.


    No, possibly, but no the real threat is they might teach children to accept gays.
     
  18. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, I don't think anyone ever doubted your partner would be hypothetical.

    I could care less if someone is gay. Their sex life is such a small part of who they are.
    People judge swinging, S&M bondage, roll play, etc. Its just one more way to make yourself feel better than someone else. I'm not that insecure.
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, well , just in case as I wouldn't speak of that kind of stuff otherwise, that's my private business

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    Yes, but do you not agree that nonetheless there are morals? We cannot simply let people do as they please when they please in a society.

    You know, I have a good idea. Antarctica isn't inhabited, so why don't gays make their own country there? Everyone wins!
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    Hmmm ok. I stand corrected. I would imagine however that the majority born with the aggressive gene do not go on to become murderers or rapists. I would also imagine their upbringing and environment may also have something to do with it.

    If that were the case, then children born of straight parents should not be homosexual at all. I have not seen any evidence that children born of homosexual parents are more inclined to be homosexual.

    I did see it but forgot to get around to it. And you are correct. I meant normal on a personal level and not on a societal level. Meh.. I shall now be sure to not say 'normal' but only natural.

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  21. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    I think people should have the right to do what they want when they want as long as it doesnt infringe on somone elses rights. Has someone being gay ever personally stopped you from doing something that you felt was your right? if so please give an example.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    *Sigh*

    So a woman is unable to fall pregnant without your external interference? Just as you are not able to fall pregnant without having a woman carry your child. What makes you assume the same does not apply for a homosexual?

    So you're scared of women and are fearful that a man might turn you into a girl. Got it!

    Why do we have to stop it? Why should we stop it? No, humans are not meant to be straight. Homosexuality is natural in nature. Being animals ourselves... can you make the connection Norse? Try.

    You're the one scared of them and having issues with them, and you call them cowards?
     
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, but the point was to compare them with homosexuals. Apparently we can if both have a genetic basis.
    Also, if homosexuality has a genetic basis, upbringing and environment would have as much to do with it as they would have with aggressiveness (as you pointed out).

    No, that is not how genetics work. Ever heard of carriers ? The parents don't have to have any genetic condition for their kid to have it.
    It could also be some kind mutation.

    LOL ok

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