Israeli right winger endorses one state solution!

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I wrote this some time back:

    And here we are, with Moshe Arens in Israel thinking one state solution:

    "There is a tide in the affairs of men, which taken at the flood leads on to fortune..."
     
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  3. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    yep i have said it ebfoe the one satte solution is the way to go
     
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  5. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    I endorse a one state solution also.

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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I like my own version of the one state solution: get back Palestine, kick out the non-Semitic Jews (Slavs, et cetera)
     
  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    yeah but your version involves the jews entirely removing the palestinians from palestine
     
  9. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I have no problem with ethnically Semitic Jews remaining in Palestine.

    Non-Semitic Jews need to GO, however.
     
  10. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Plan A

    Your too strict. Israel is the home to these European Jews now. Somebody needs to pay the Palestinians for the land that was taken from them. If the Palestinians could take their payment for their land and then accept being a minority then one state solution could work.

    Israel should not be treating it's current Palestinian citizens unequally as it does now to those that it accepts as citizens. That will need to stop.

    The right of Jews and people of say post 1940 Palestinian ancestry to immigrate to Israel would need to be the law and in the constitution. Otherwise there should be nothing legalistically Jewish about a one state Israel.



    Plan B

    If Israeli Jews must have a Jewish state then they should take what ever percentage of Israel and Palestine that they are and give the other portion to the Palestinians.

    Palestinians and Jews both would both have to move and Arab Israeli citizenship should be ended. Let the Jewish state be a Jewish state and don't confuse the issue by having Jews rule over non-Jews. Both Palestinians and Jews who move would be given full compensation for their land and the Jewish state would have to pay full compensation for the land Palestinians lost since 1947.

    Germany Russia the USA and the UK should pay the Jewish state for what they did to Jews prior to 1947 and for their role in creating this mess. The Jewish state would then use that money along with their own to pay Palestinians that had their land stolen.

    Old Jerusalem should become a place that Jews and Christians and Muslims get to visit on two days a week assigned to be their visiting day. No Jew or Christian or Muslim should be allowed to live their. Resettle some of the refugees from Myanmar there because they are Buddhists who were oppressed by other Buddhists and have no connection to the Jewish versus Palestinian or USA versus all insubordinate peoples disputes. Move the UN to the edge of old Jerusalem on the boundary of the Jewish and Palestinian states and let old Jerusalem with it's resettled Buddhists and the UN compound be a permanent UN administered state.


    Of course there is no way that the Israeli Jewish population would agree to either of these plans unless the alternative was something harsher on them than these plans. Both plans are fare and just and anything less is too much of an injustice for justice loving people to ask the Palestinians to accept.

    Of course the people loyal to Israel and the people who have bought into anti-Palestinian propaganda will say that why should Israel have to give anything back when China does not have to give back Tibet and the USA can just ignore what it did to the native Americans. They will say that Jews deserve Israel so the Palestinians should move to other nations without receiving any compensation. These are not the positions that justice loving people could take.

    Telling non-Semitic Jews born in Israel to leave Israel is also not a position that justice loving people could take.
     
  11. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Of course it is. Allowing wrongful occupation is not a position that justice-loving people could take. The non-Semites need to be removed from the state of Israel.
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Now who's the racist?
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Race matters when discussing Israel.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    So does religion and culture.
     
  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Of course...but a black man from Texas who decided to convert to Judaism cannot, in a reasonable world, have more claim to Palestine than the indigenous Palestinians. That's absurd.
     
  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the problem with that its not our choice. the choice weather to get their land back or accept payment for them lies solely with those it was taken from and in this case they want it back.



    would this include those who are prevented from being in palestine?


    sure it is. if they didn't acquire the land legally legally they have no right to it. I'm sorry but the suffering that would happen to the jewish people living on stolen land is quite frankly irrelevant to weather the palerstinians should get it back. to propose anything else is to A reward the jewish people for violating international law and B. encourage them to steal more and breed onit so they don't have to return it.
     
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It ain't the wild west, no one make claims any more. A Jewish convert is allowed to reside in Israel based on the laws of the government of Israel, a sovereign state.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    And it became a sovereign state based on claims and conquest. So by your logic, conquest is legitimate; that's fine, too, because then all it means is that we'll have to figure out a way to "conquer" Israel and you should have no problem with it.
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    So if I steal your land and declare it a state I can prevent you from coming back? great where's your address? A jewish convert is allowed into palestine because the thug government allows it.
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    They are welcome to try.
     
  21. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The analogy doesn't work, since the property rights of governments often supersede that of individuals. Israel is here to stay, the Palestinians can figure out a way to live with it or die trying, which seems to be their present choice.
     
  22. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Good to see you agree; and it's only a matter of time before Israel is defeated. Nuclear warheads may be a quick and effective option.

    James: this isn't calling for the nuking of a nation.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    The property rights of nations supersede that of Illegal governments. Israel is not here to stay. eventually good honest people are going to ensure your bigoted fuck hole of a state is destroyed and the palestinians will get their due. The palestinians unl;ike what you believe don't have to accept Israel in palestine or die. but since you are a bigot who thinks they deserve to die for not wanting to give up their rights simply so you could have a state I don't really know why I'm even try to have a converstaion with you.
     

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