Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

Discussion in 'World Events' started by goofyfish, Jul 25, 2001.

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  1. s t e p h Registered Senior Member

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    if it was then i think a reputable news source such as they Guardian would of picked up on that. the child in the school was shot by a ISRAELI SNIPER and was a targetted shot at a child. also out of all of the atrocities you cant say that they are all fake. that Israeli trick just wont work forever you know.not every target was a "group of armed terrorists". Israel has to act harshly becasue of the Israeli Public and if that means killing innocent Palestinians for the benifit of Israel then that is somethig they are going to do.
     
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  3. Pangloss More 'pop' than a Google IPO! Registered Senior Member

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    So you say. I see no motive for Israel to deliberately target children, and plenty of motive for them not to. Emotional rhetoric from partisan web sites does not equate to objective news.

    I'm no Israeli apologist, either. I see plenty of wrongdoing on Israel's part that cries out for international sanction and worse. But you won't win me over by lying.
     
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  5. Undecided Banned Banned

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    No way you can say this was terrorism, it was a random shot in what Israel calls a war zone- "caught in crossfire during Palestinian attacks on the army or Jewish settlers".

    To a Palestinian Tel-Aviv is a war zone as well…so where does it end? It is terrorism of course it is, you don’t kill innocent children even in a war zone that is a war crime. A war zone is where war takes place btwn combatants, both sides are terrorists. The war zone is the whole damn region.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I have seen enough photo of Palestinian terrorist/freedom fighters using children as human shields and cover to believe that it may not be Israel fault when one of these children get killed.

    That reminds me please don't start showing photos of dead children unless by link and warning.
     
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  8. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Raghda Alassar's classmates did not hear the Israeli bullet that tore into the nine-year-old's brain as she wrote an English test.


    That doesn't explain this, I suspect this happens more often then what you described. This was more then a normal terrorist action, because it was deliberate. When a suicide bomber blows himself up, he doesn't target children nessecarily, he targets everyone. Does anyone actually beleive that Israel is not a terrorist state, especially with her well known tactic of collective punishment?
     
  9. Pangloss More 'pop' than a Google IPO! Registered Senior Member

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    It's not "terrorism" if it's not deliberate. That's the whole point of terrorism -- to strike terror through a deliberate, specific action. Mistakes don't count; you have to *intend* to kill those kids.

    And it's silly on face -- if Israel were trying to scare the Palestinians by killing their children, they would obviously say so, otherwise what would be the point?

    Y'all watch out, or I'm gonna have to break out the tin foil hats again.
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The article doesn't make those conclusions. We know it was an Israeli bullet, but not that the shooter was Israeli, or that the child was targeted. It's a terrible tragedy, but it's not wrong for Israeli troops to attack terrorists in Gaza, and it's impossible to do so without stray bullets. Innocent people get killed during drive-by shootings in the states, too, it doesn't mean that gangs target the innocent on purpose.
     
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    Spider Israel employs collective punishment as one of its tenants of its Palestinian policy. The innocent are regularly terrorized against in Gaza, W.Bank, that’s why its called collective punishment.
     
  12. Pangloss More 'pop' than a Google IPO! Registered Senior Member

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    You're talking about buldozing buildings. That's a far cry from assassinating children reading school books.
     
  13. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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    Please, show us with a source, of an incident where a Palestinian kid was killed because he/she was being used as a human shield by the Palestinian militants.

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    I'm talking about more then just bulldozing buildings; the Israeli military has been involved in some deep shit. Also illegally bulldozing buildings is also terroristic in quality. Remember terrorism is that which causes fear, and terror, not necessarily death.
     
  15. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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    How come no one talked about this? How come the IDF isn't called a terrorist organization when it tolerates the killing of innocent people?
     
  16. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.concert4palestine.org/images/buried.jpg

    April 6, 2002. In Nablus, three children aged four, seven and nine years, their pregnant mother and four relatives died under the rubble of their house which was demolished by the Israeli Army. Two survivors were eventually pulled from under the rubble, one week later. - Amnesty International
     
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  17. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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    I have a list of War Crimes done by the Israeli army, enough to classify them as "terrorists".
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    M-16,

    Its not really me who brought that about children for human shields, post about it have been made and that conclusions somewhere back here.
     
  19. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, then who ever made that claim, please speak up and show us...
     
  20. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    well I don't know if someone's killed, I just want to show you that
    those kids in pics are being used as human shields.

    now take a GOOD look:

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    I hope that's enough to convince you.

    http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/HumanShields
     
  21. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

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    erm so in the middle of a maths lesson an Israeli sniper sees a bunch of kids sitting down in a classroom and mistakes them for armed Palestinan terrorists :bugeye:

    and as shown before on this one thread to rule them all and various threads Israeli soldiers have many time directly admitted to killing civillians. a few months ago Israeli solders on Israeli radio admitted throwing grenadaes on children for "amusement", supplying "settlers" with weapons to vandalise Palestinian property and illegally confiscating cars (recently it becasme legal)

    aswell as that foreign journalists have captured many many times Israeli helpicopters, tanks, solderis etc. aiming at civillians, maerked ambulances etc.

    apart from that many foriegn jouranalists have been killed, Foreign peace actavists have been killed, UN officails have been shot at, had their convoys illegally searched and destroyed, British MP's have even been shot at.

    Israels crimes have been caught hundreds of times by CNN, BBC, FOX news reporters and they only show them occasionly. if you have a problem with that then complain (the best peopole to complain to is the BBC). the whole crime galery both by Palestinians and Israelis is covered up but a suicide bomb in Tel Aviv or a group of civillians in Palestine, although basically the same thing have a totally different ring to them.
     
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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    "erm so in the middle of a maths lesson an Israeli sniper sees a bunch of kids sitting down in a classroom and mistakes them for armed Palestinan terrorists "

    No, I think probably a Palestinian sniper with an Israeli gun killed that girl. They already kill Palestian children with their suicide bombs, so why wouldn't they shoot their own children to further their cause, she will be a martyr anyway, right? No harm done, she goes to heaven, and the Palestinian terrorists get another propaganda tool.
     
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