Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

Discussion in 'World Events' started by goofyfish, Jul 25, 2001.

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  1. surenderer Registered Senior Member


    spoken like a true buddist

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  3. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

    surrender i am not good enough to be budhist my sole has been corrupted in the west
    were i was a non practising catholic, i had the belief and prayed in private, but not to some pervert or paedophile priest in church, the church has become invested with these leeches

    alas alot of homosexuals turn to god hoping he can change there sexuality, they become priests, and then the temptations start the alter boys etc
    god cannot help homosexuals change, he made them that way, and they should accept this without hiding in a priests frock and bringing disgrace to the church

    i truly believe that budhism is the one true and peaceful religion left in this world
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  5. what768 Guest

    Yes, buddhism is a good religion. What do you think about hinduism? I don't really see why you hate islam so much yet. There are bad things in most religions, but there are also many good things in them, don't you agree? I mean, it's hard to believe in everything in a religion... I think it would be better if we saw the good things about the religions and just forget the bad, there's no need to believe in bad things.

    The old testament says we should love our neighbour and hate our enemies, yet Jesus in NT says that we should also "love our enemies". You can't believe in both of them, we have to choose what makes sense for ourselves. People change and they can't believe in all of the things which are told in the old testament anymore. The "law" is eternal of course, but it seems to change from our view, because were just human.
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  7. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

    CNN - 10 armed Buddist enter Muslim mosque and massacre 25 Muslims.

    vincent28uk : It waz justifed becuz buddist r peaceful people.

    Thats what he would say if it really happened.
  8. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    CNN - 10 armed Buddist enter Muslim mosque and massacre 25 Muslims.

    it would never happen unless you are refering to the police or army. then that is a different matter, they act too defend the people and do not act as any religous faith
    there numbers are usually mixed with different faiths

    however you do have religous police in iran who report on any wrongdoing like 2 unmarried lovers holding hands are kissing in the park

    then the state and religion become one, because they are acting as one

    but as far as religion is conscerned budhism has been the shining light, that all religons could learn from
  9. Even Handed Registered Member

    The only oppressors on palestinian kids are mommy palestine.
  10. robtex Registered Senior Member

    vincent28uk that was a preemtive strike by Isreal. Let me give you a senerio. In the early days of chinese boxing (chun fa, wu shu kung fu other names) buddist monks learned these combat meathods to protect themselves on journeys from hoods and bandits (kinda like terroists). It would be naive, given the nature of hand-to-hand combat to think that these buddist monks were not preemptive in their applications of their martial skills. How is this any different than Isreal stopping a threat before it reaches Isreal?
  11. Mal Registered Member

    Heh, quran said it all.

    same to go to the terrorist.....
  12. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    vincent28uk that was a preemtive strike by Isreal.

    heh robocop i was being very sarcastic when referring to israels attacks against these cockroaches

    i totally agree with there pre-emptive attack its just a pity they could not drop more bombs say over a 30 mile radius of palestine to increase the casualties
  13. surenderer Registered Senior Member


    And hopefully kill more children and babies huh? You claim to care about innocent life but your posts seem to say otherwise. To wish for the extermination of a whole religion because you dont agree with it only makes you look like the very terrorists you hate so much doesnt it?
  14. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

    there are no innocents in the middle east there is blood is on everybodies hands

    and a world without the middle east would be a much safer place
    there is nothing that will be made or invented or for that matter anything beneficial that will ever come out of the middle east

    god has given up on these troubled lands and so have i
  15. robtex Registered Senior Member

    sorry missed that.
  16. slotty Colostomy-its not my bag Registered Senior Member

    What or who are the syrian snakes? Could you explain please.

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  17. otheadp Banned Banned

    the heads of hamas are hiding in Syria where it's more tricky to get them
    so are the Popular Front leaders and the Jihad Islami leaders
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    If that happened, it would prove they weren't Buddhists.

  19. LaLuna Registered Senior Member

    They are on the run in Damascus, since Israel's courageus warning... afraid to show in Public, sources say.
  20. John_angry Banned Banned

    Israeli - Jewish Terrorist kill 136 Gaza Kids

    an end to Jewish terrorism!!

    136 Gaza kids killed by Israel
    The Guardian, UK 19th Sept. 2004

    Raghda Alassar's classmates did not hear the Israeli bullet that tore into the nine-year-old's brain as she wrote an English test.

    But soon a wall of screams rose from the classroom of the UN elementary school for girls in Khan Yunis.

    Though still crying for help at that time, Raghda fell silent by the time by the time she was hauled into the trauma room of a neighbouring hospital.

    For five crucial days the army blocked Raghda's transfer to an Israeli hospital with the facilities to offer a glimmer of hope. An infection set in.

    On Tuesday doctors told her father, Adnad, that she was brain dead.

    "I find it so difficult to believe what happened to my daughter. She was at school, just carrying her notebook not a gun. What is my daughter - nine years old - guilty of that she has to be shot? It's state terror against the whole population."

    In recent weeks the Israelis have again been preoccupied with terrorism, from the murder of 16 people in the Beersheba bus bombings to the slaughter of Russian schoolchildren in Beslan, which received blanket coverage.

    During the six months of relative peace for Israelis, until the Beersheba bombings, the army killed more than 400 Palestinians.

    Most were fighters, but they also included about 40 children under 15.

    Palestinians say this also is a form of terror.

    "We're always listening for the helicopters, listening for the tanks, listening for the bombs," said Khitam Abu Shawarib, the only social worker in Rafah refugee camp, on the southern tip of the Gaza Strip.

    "It takes such a toll on our health, on society, most of all on the children." Israelis live in fear of random attacks, principally the suicide bombing of buses and cafes, and shootings in the occupied territories. But they are generally safe in their homes and are more likely to be killed in a road accident than by a bomb.

    In southern Gaza and parts of the West Bank there is often no sanctuary from the seemingly relentless, indiscriminate Israeli shooting.

    Israel classifies Gaza Strip towns such as Rafah and Khan Yunis, and Nablus and Jenin in the West Bank, as "war zones".

    That, the army says, justifies the firing of powerful sophisticated weapons into residential areas or the bulldozing of scores of homes each month, ostensibly in search of rarely discovered tunnels for smuggling in weapons.

    Barely a night passes in Rafah or Khan Yunis without the machine-gun fire that has shredded hundreds of homes, forcing families to sleep in a single inner room behind bricked up windows or a second wall.

    Others live in the rubble of their bulldozed houses, perpetually in the line of fire from the rarely seen soldiers high in the gun towers.

    A fortnight ago 15-year-old Mazen al-Ara was trying to lead his siblings away from tanks and heavy shooting around their house on the edge of the "Philadelphi Road", the highly militarised border at Rafah.

    The army had partially destroyed the family home months before, but the Aras went on living there because they had no money to move.

    Usually they sheltered in an inner room when the shooting began, but that night it was so intense that Mazen said they would all be killed if they stayed.

    As he led the terrified group into the street, Mazen was caught by a burst of fire. Doctors took 18 bullets from his body.

    A few days earlier 10-year-old Munir al-Daqas left his home in Jabalya refugee camp to visit his grandparents' house five minutes' walk away. Israeli tanks were on the far side of the camp, but no one saw any danger in the heart of Jabalya, around its bustling market, in daylight.

    "It must have been a sniper," his mother, Kifah, said. "People told me as I was shopping in the market. I couldn't believe it. Munir was just there with me and now they were saying he was dead." Mrs Daqas unfolded a picture of the semi-naked body of her son in his grave. There is a bullet wound in the chest and another in the groin.

    In four years of intifada, the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights says, the army has killed 136 children in Rafah and Khan Yunis, a quarter of all the Palestinian children who have died during the uprising, because of its "indiscriminate shooting, excessive force, a shoot to kill policy and the deliberate targeting of children".

    The dead in Khan Yunis and Rafah in recent weeks also include two 12-year-old boys, a 15-year-old girl and a 75-year-old man in a wheelchair, Ibrahim Halfalla, who was crushed under the rubble of his own home by an army bulldozer as his wife begged the soldiers not to do it.

    The army has not offered an explanation for the killing of Raghda Alassar, but it frequently says that child victims are caught in crossfire during Palestinian attacks on the army or Jewish settlers.

    There were no such battles when Raghda Alassar and Munir Daqas were hit. Or when a bullet pierced the blind of Sara Zorob's living room and struck the 10-year-old in the chest, killing her instantly.

    Commanders in Gaza have admitted in the past that when their soldiers are attacked they are allowed to fire back randomly, risking civilian lives.

    The dead are not the only victims.

    "The children who are physically injured are not the only ones harmed," said Usama Freona, a psychologist at the UN clinic in Rafah.

    "The levels of violence children are exposed to is horrific.

    "We work in a lot of schools to treat the children. In the one next to Kfar Darom [a Jewish settlement in Gaza], all the children are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. Most of them crying and shaking when they were speaking about their experiences. There is a lot of bedwetting." Mohammed Abu Yusuf is the counsellor at Raghda Alassar's school.

    Five girls in Raghda's class still won't come back to school.

    We took Raghda's desk away and brought another but none of the students will sit at it." Raghda Alassar is not the first such child to be shot needlessly shot as last year an Israeli bullet blinded Huda Darwish, 12, as she sat at her desk.

    "They see guns as the source of power, the solution to dealing with any problem, the way to get what they want." With that has come a collapse in respect for authority.

    The image of Mohammed al-Dura, the 12-year-old Gaza boy shot as his father vainly tried to protect him from Israeli gunfire in the first days of the latest intifada, is seared on the Palestinian consciousness.

    It has come to symbolise what they see as the callous indifference of Israeli forces to the lives of their children. But Mrs Abu Shawarib said it had a further impact on many children, who saw that a father was unable to protect his son.

    "The respect for authority is shattered because children see their fathers beaten in front of them," she said. "

    The authority of the father, who used to just have to utter one word for the child to obey, is shattered. The father looks helpless to protect the child and the child thinks they are alone."

    Another result of the perpetual killing was that many children came to expect an early death and to welcome the prospect of becoming a "martyr".

    "The martyr is in paradise, he has glory here and in the afterlife where it is so much better than life in Rafah," she said. "The children see many people killed, so they come to expect to be killed. This is horrible, that children should accept the possibility of death."
  21. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    No way you can say this was terrorism, it was a random shot in what Israel calls a war zone- "caught in crossfire during Palestinian attacks on the army or Jewish settlers".

    "Another result of the perpetual killing was that many children came to expect an early death and to welcome the prospect of becoming a "martyr"."
    -The result? I think it's the cause of the perpetual killing on their part.
  22. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

    oooo nuuu. it was Israel. you cant go blaming everything on someone else. tyhe IDF have a strong advanced and co-ordinated milatry something that the Pals don't, apart from that Israel is an occupation force so it is them.
  23. M-16 Registered Militant Registered Senior Member

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