Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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  1. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    This is the place for those heated discussions.
    Keep the forum rules in mind - keep it civil.
     
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  5. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    It's an ugly duck, any way you look at it, but you gotta start somewhere and I rather have this ugly duck flying than all those birds of prey...
     
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  7. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    legit targets
     
  8. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    agree
    don't think they deserve smthing much more also
    for now at least
    give them little, see how they manage it
    if acceptable, give them a little more
     
  9. AvatarOfWoe Registered Senior Member

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    it is good that the conflict in the middle eats will now maybe some to an end.
    just thinking out loud here, but look at the size of israel compared to the rest of the arab world, why can't the palastinians who for the most part can't satn israelies move to one of the surronding arab nations?
    just a notion.
     
  10. AvatarOfWoe Registered Senior Member

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    so what are you proposing that old women should be the targets of palistinian suicide bombers.
     
  11. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    I have little problem with the elderly as targets , children are the only ones that are not to blaim .
     
  12. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Allah; are you saying anyone who peacefully protests against something you believe in (that is, the Palestinian right to land) is a legitimat target for bombing?
     
  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    just what I suggested in my Palestinian relocation thread
    I told you those arabs are crazy fanatics
     
  14. AvatarOfWoe Registered Senior Member

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    im sure glad i live in America and not a country run by people like Allah.
     
  15. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler :
    No

    First of all let me say I assumed they were in Israel , and that is what I considered the problem , not their personal opinion .

    And as you do refer to opinion , let me say that wherever they might be , opinion combined with power and actions that follow is what I consider them to be made a legit target .

    Merely being somewhere (outside Israel) with a sign and your opinion does not make you a legit target .

    Also you shouldnt generelize it to "something I believe in" , because I might believe as well in Bugs Bunny aliens something that has little relevance to matters .
     
  16. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Woe
    I think it is a disgrace they have not been helped out , I see the dictatorial regimes as responsibles . I think the Palestinians as a people should have been helped with housing and such in the Arabic nations from 48 , instead of attacking Israel (abd be defeated) conventionally making the peoples stuck in the middle .

    They should have let them be , help the peoples , start a huge guerilla organization and wage a mass-offense against non-active militant zionists with martyr-tactics , and taking over with the conventional armies , and bringing the peoples back to their original homes , thats what should have happened .

    No way should the peoples of Palestine ever surrender to the occupation of these Nazi's , they should be TOTALLY DESTROYED if they cannot live in Peace through Freedom Justice and Equality ?

    Is living in that Peace not reasonable to ask ? Is living in Injustice , in Inequality and most definetly not in Freedom more reasonable ? The Arabs regimes are pigs ......they dont care for Palestinian peoples one bit . USA is to blame for both the regmes as the Zionists , why dont they get their state in NEW YORK ? Its theirs already , why not make it official ? That would be a bitch for US economy wouldnt it , if all Jews would go there and seperate their interests as a Nation from USA ? USA wouldnt want make one star a star of David would it ?

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    And you're a nazi-sympathizant man , what in Gods name are you speaking of fanatism ? Racist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Woe

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    There are no people like me governing countries ........

    There are however peoples who have no Ideals but power and wealth and use Stalinistic methods to achieve such , and most of them are either buddy's , ex-buddy's or contra-products of your lovely country ........
     
  17. AvatarOfWoe Registered Senior Member

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    i don't think its israel with the problem with living in peace because if it was they wouldn't have back all the peace plans to date and the palistinians would have supported each one. but no the palistinians have continued fighting and killing inocent people.
     
  18. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Woe
    Are you familliar with history of this conflict Woe ? Are you familliar with happened in 47 and 48 when Israel was established ?

    Simply because the Israeli back plan X and Palestinians dont doesnt mean plan X is a plan of Peace .
     
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    Allahs

    Are you familliar with happened in 47 and 48 when Israel was established ?

    Were YOU there? Did YOU have first hand experience? No?

    Then shut up.
     
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    He can't, he suffers from a particularly virulant strain of textual diarrhea.
     
  21. AvatarOfWoe Registered Senior Member

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    yeah i know what happened in 47 and 48. the arab countries that surrond the small country of israel attacked and kept on attacking for years and each time the israelies won.
    wow it really shows how great those arabs are at underhanded military warfare and that even with greater numbers than the israelies the arabs could not kill the israelies will and desire for a homeland.
     
  22. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "First of all let me say I assumed they were in Israel , and that is what I considered the problem , not their personal opinion "

    So then I believe you are saying any Israeli citizen is a legitamit target. That I disagree with totally. They are civilians. I do not consider civilians a legit target. That is where you and I differ.
     
  23. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    You should know that there are distinctions within the Israeli civillians . If they are not Arab , Orthodox , Elder or Child , they are a member of the Israeli military .
    Giving them a time out because they dont have arms and an uniform at the moment is quite ridiculous I say ......

    Besides that , something Im sure you wont agree on , I consider an Israeli civillian that is old enoguh to be responsible for his own support for the Zionist state and regime of Israel responsible for this by accepting it , voting it , consuming economically (although Im sure they dont depend on that silly economy

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