Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

Discussion in 'World Events' started by kks, Oct 2, 2001.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I've already answered this in a discussion with Bells. Slaves were not unpaid labour in the Muslim world, they were viziers, ministers, generals, they were elite army corps and they could buy their own freedom. The children of slaves were not slaves. Comparing western slavery to slavery by the Arabs and Ottomans is like comparing sweat shops to a corporate job.
     
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  3. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Blacks do exist in Arabia, even today. The famous companion of the Prophet and the honored muezzin was Hazrat Bilal al-Rabah (he was beaten by his pagan Arab slave-master because he was one of the first Muslims, he would lay him underneath the sun with a giant boulder on his abdomen), the wife of Hazrat Yasser was an African women named Hazrat Sumayya, incidentally she was the first martyr of Islam, tortured to death with her husband by the pagans of Makkah in front of her son's eyes, who was forced to watch the murder of his parents. The people of Oman are half-black, half-Arab. At one point in time they occupied parts of southern Pakistan and southern Iran as well. The Eastern coast of Africa has had extensive links to southern Arabia and southwestern Asia, the Makrani people of Pakistan are of African heritage.

    Islam promotes brotherhood among man, this is why the great civil rights leader Malcolm X accepted Islam after his pilgrimage to Makkah. This is also the reason why many African Americans become Muslim in America. They see it as a way out of the cycle of racial animosity in American society.
     
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  5. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    Of course not! Because Islamic states didn't enslave Africans, or didn't enslave nearly as many as the West, or *insert some other bullshit excuse*.

    It's mind boggling how the 'The West' (whatever the fuck 'The West' is) has the atrocities it committed over the past 1000 years continually rubbed in its face while liberals jack their dicks in glee, but the moment someone dares to criticise the current or past behaviour of Muslims, everyone shits themselves in horror.

    OMFG ISLAMOPHOBE! TAKE TO THE HILLS COMRADES!
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Lets just say that Muslim states are occupied by resident natives and blacks do not need a different language, different music and pants at their knees to feel part of the population.
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The Islamic propagandist speaks out and rationalizes Islamic slavery.

    "Our slaves are treated better than your slaves."

    Hilarious. Sam must really believe we're all complete loonies.
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Then, it wouldn't promote slavery, yet Islam does promote slavery, by your own words, hence it cannot promote brotherhood at the same time.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    A corporate job equals a sweat shop. Because they are both slaves to the system.Duh.

    The Caliph wore the Jannisary uniform and stood in line with them to get paid. <---omfg! Ottoman slavery!!!! :runaway:

    The bones of 200 slaves worked to death were discovered in New York <--- western slavery :yawn:
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Further rationalizations for slavery by the Islamic propagandist.

    "We pay our slaves a fair wage."

    **but, we take away their right to be free men, humiliating them beyond reproach by adding insult to injury**
     
  12. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    They were taken against their will, via force, from their homeland. Then they were then forced to work in the profession of their master's choosing. And while you paint a very rosy picture of the fate of slaves in the Middle-East, the fact is that the majority got assigned shitty tasks and could be mistreated with impunity. While there are verses in the Koran which speak against mistreating slaves, the fact is that they were often taken with a grain of salt.

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    Some blacks had it good on the plantations. They exercising a significant amount of authority and lived in luxury. Guess slavery in the West wasn't that bad after all!

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  13. John99 Banned Banned

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    SAM said: The bones of 200 slaves worked to death were discovered in New York <--- western slavery

    you know they were worked to death? some tales your weaving today. they died of old age. the thing is that they all stayed in U.S after they were free. People leave when it is real bad...which we have seen throughout history plus the U.S was only a nation for 50 years before it abolished slavery. You are also aware that all kinds of people have been slaves and all colors of people too.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Oppressed Ottoman Mamluke slave

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    Oppressed western slave

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  15. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Slavery is no longer slavery, once you get paid and have a choice of your future. POWs captured in war had several choices, unlike in the West where they were resigned to live perpetually as slaves.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASpunishments.htm

    http://library.thinkquest.org/5643/sppe.htm
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The Islamic propagandist continues to justify Islamic slavery with pictures. Let's not mention the fact one of pictures is a drawn cartoon and may not have anything to do with slavery.

    Shhhhh...
     
  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    Not to mention that there still ARE slaves today. I can show you an example but you wont like it.
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    POW's have no choices as they become Islamic slaves. Stop lying.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/8186/



    http://www.rpa.org/2003/10/spotligh...g-bones-and-uncovering-a-painful-history.html


    Now compare that to:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
     
  20. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    A sample size of one. Wow! And I thought you were a scientist.
     
  21. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    If you haven't seen the movie Amistad, you must watch it. It is a must see to understand slavery and the gruesome condition on Atlantic slave ships.

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  22. John99 Banned Banned

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    How can anyone possibly tell if someone was malnourished or overworked from 200+ year old bones? Sure they worked in the fields but like i said children and adults are enslaved to this day. Not in U.S.

    After they were free (50 years after U.S abolished slavery) they all stayed in U.S too. But the whole U.S is different from even 100 years ago.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'll take a sample size of one slave who proclaimed himself sultan over his Western troops in the west.
     

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