Islam and the Question of Violence*

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Solve et Coagula, Jan 25, 2006.

  1. Stephen H Banned Banned

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  3. Capracus Valued Senior Member

    That’s why you give them 8000 sq mi of independent territory in the state of Montana, so they don’t have to put up with those nasty Christian bigots. It’s worked out great for the Jews in Israel.
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  5. Stephen H Banned Banned

    Or have to put up with the ISLAMIC threat of death for simply being different. At least in Montana homosexuals will be / are protected by the law of the land and not ordered to be murdered by stoning or thrown off a high rise meted out by the law of ISLAM.
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Yeah, the Islamic laws against homosexuality are bad. Everyone knows. It doesn't make Muslims in general bad people or not worthy of citizenship. It's just an evil book.
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    See, the thing here is that you're not telling anyone anything new, just shouting over and over again while posting videos you expect people to watch when you can't be bothered to make any real argument about what they are. And, look, I can say, "Star Wars, science fiction film", but that doesn't tell me why I should watch it. How about, "Old VHS copy of Star Wars from first television release, including that weird mark on Leia's dress that, if you remember the narration in the novelization of Return of the Jedi, might indicate the sexual torture suggested when the bikini-clad princess reflected on having been through worse than being chained to a giant gangster slug."

    At best, your behavior is argumentative sloth; we've been through the routine, before, where we're supposed to spend time watching something, and apparently the point is that we're supposed to be the other poster, and see and perceive exactly what that person wants without them having to put in the effort of explaining themselves and arguing any real point. And, often, once you start down that path, the question of what that video was for is answered with another video and no real explanation.

    Basically, what you're doing is pretending everyone else is an idiot, and you're too good to be bothered to write an argument. Again, though, that would be at best.

    Because the sum effect is that you're posting a bunch of threats against homosexuals ostensibly not from you, but you're not actually saying anything. Like your post at #42, responding to Capracus with more of your petulant hatred; quit wasting your time and everyone else's until you actually have something to say.

    Yes. If the primary purpose of your posts is to communicate threats against groups of people while ostensibly persecuting another, you're actually hiding behind one group you hate in order to threaten another group you hate.

    Yes, but you brought it here to keep posting after your behavior was quashed elsewhere. You probably shouldn't remind people of that.

    But that last illustrates the problem most clearly: You're just not honest.

    If you have something to say, say it. Otherwise, stop bothering people.

    Understand, you're not clever; we've seen these petty games before, and the general tendency is toward sloth; each wave of bullshit is ferociously determined to put less effort into disruptive malice than the last.

    Notice how there's nothing to discuss but your behavior? But that's your choice: You have defined yourself by dishonesty and hatred. For the rest of this, it's an old grift we've seen before.

    Seriously, you're not telling anyone anything new. You're just making a bunch of worthless noise saying precisely nothing. You are exactly like ... well, we've lost count of how many lazy hatemongers pulling this routine have come through here over the years.

    Have something to say, or stop bothering people.

    Quit wasting people's time.
  9. Stephen H Banned Banned

    And some.

    I agree. I feel sorry for muslims who are locked into an ideology that they cannot escape without penalty.

    I have to agree.
  10. Stephen H Banned Banned

    I believe 99.9 % of my posts on this thread are responses to others. I didn't bring homsexuality into the mix and I didn't bring in intolerance into it either. As for "bothering "anyone, your bothering and harassing me, but please, knock yourself out and waste your own time. You don't have to respond to me responding to others, no one has forced you. You wasn't dragged kicking and screaming or forced to involve yourself into a thread you have suddenly decided you don't like.
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Of course you are. It's just a "parable" even though the passage says to kill people. Yeah, Jesus talks about bringing a sword, but that's just a "saying about dividing and separating the people of Christ from the men of the world" - he doesn't mean a real sword. The old testament? Well, yes, that's part of the bible but everyone ignores it!

    You make excuses for the Bible and you intentionally interpret the Quran in the worst possible light.
    2018 - Blaze Bernstein, a gay Jewish college student, was killed by Samuel Woodward, a homophobic neo-Nazi. Given that Samuel was named after a Christian prophet, probably not a Muslim.
    2015 - Joshua Brandon Vallum found guilty of killing Mercedes Williamson, a trans woman. Given that Joshua was named after the right hand man of Moses, probably not a Muslim.
    2013 - Matthew Fenner was beaten and choked for hours by church members to "drive out the demon." Fortunately he was taken to a hospital; he survived (barely.) Given that it happened in a church, probably not Muslims.
    2005 - Ronnie Paris, a 3 year old boy, was killed by his father because the father was concerned that he might be gay. Given that his father attended Bible study, probably not a Muslim.

    Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

    Not too much ambiguity there.

    And many Christian leaders agree and want gays killed. They even celebrate when gays are murdered.

    Pastor Kevin Swanson has called for the death penalty for gays. "The Bible affirms that this particular sin (homosexuality) is worthy of death. . . . both the Old Testament and the New Testament speak to this matter with unbelievable clarity."
    Pastor Ben Bailey - stoning gays is the "mindset of God."
    Pastor Roger Jimenez supports terrorists who kill gays - “You know the tragedy is that more of them didn't die. I mean the tragedy is -- I'm kind of upset he didn't finish the job.”
    Pastor Donnie Romero does the same - "These 50 Sodomites were all perverts and pedophiles and they are the scum of the earth and the earth is a little bit better place now, and I’ll even take it a little further I heard on the news today that there are still several dozen of these queers in ICU and I will pray that God will finish the job that that man started."
    Pastor Andy Gipson - Gays "are to be put to death."

    The Bible also contains advice for people like yourself.

    Matthew 7:5 - Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
  12. Stephen H Banned Banned

    Nope. the Old Testament is full of war and violence and should be condemned. I condemn it.
    Then why don't you have the balls to start a thread and show us all Islam and the Quran in its most positive light, just to make it all nice and balanced.
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

    OK great. So the Bible is "full of war and violence" - but that doesn't lead to all Christians being violent. Now if you can port that thinking over to other religions you should be good to go.
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    This is a good thread in which to show that.

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