Is Zero a Whole Number?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by stanleyg, Jul 23, 2006.

  1. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    Where is it shown that zero is "nuetral"?
     
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  3. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Solve for x:

    -x = x
    x = x
    x - x = x
    etc.
     
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  5. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I'll invent a new number. Call it... k. And k != 0.
     
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  7. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    It's the result of the definitions of positive and negative numbers.

    x is positive if and only if x > 0
    x is negative if and only if x < 0

    If x = 0.. what do you call it? Make up another definition.. It's how mathematics works. Just like for sets. Like this one: You have some long winded definition of a finite set... then you simply say: if the set S is not finite, then it's infinite.

    Just how things are done.
     
  8. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    I've taken course up to calculus, and I've never once heard someone refer to zero as 'nuetral,' so what youre saying is you just made up that qualification for the number?
     
  9. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe I did make up the qualification? But two things: 1) I did not make up the definition of positive and negative numbers. 2) I have heard others say zero is neutral. I would agree with number 2 because the definition of the word itself matches what zero falls between.
     
  10. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    I just wont agree that there is a mathmatical application for the word 'nuetral', it makes a nice description of the number zero because -0 = 0.
     
  11. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Well then pick your own word. It's easier than saying "zero is neither negative nor positive."
     
  12. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    The definition in group theory is that an additive identity is any z such that:

    z + x = x = x + z, for all x in the group.
     
  13. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    What? This is the definition of neutral? Or what? Anyway for the group (R,+), z = 0. For the group (R, *), z = 1.
     
  14. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Nevermind.. you are correct. It's also called the "identity element." But the IE differs between + and *. But zero is neutral for addition on R.
     

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