Is there a middle to our Universe?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by machiaventa, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope: two minutes is two minutes.

    Wrong again.
    Clocks are simply a way of measuring time.
     
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  3. John99 Banned Banned

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    but is is not actual human time. what i am telling you about is actual human time. a clock is just so we are all in the same page but it is not real time, it is fabricated. of course i do use clocks but i am stating facts.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such thing as "actual human time" - simply perceived passage of time.

    A clock is a method of measuring shorter intervals of time than a day (or whatever).

    No you're giving an opinion, based on nothing but perception and wishful thinking.
     
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  7. John99 Banned Banned

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    Dywyddyr, i know what a clock is. perception is very important and this is another way to view time. what is more important to the human- the actual time they can tangibly relate to or the time an object in the sky changes a position?

    even then peoples perception of the time it take the planet to move is different. i base this on age and perhaps you are aware of quickening.

    a quick search and this is just one link i came across:

    http://www.dreamhawk.com/quickening.htm
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    But a "false" one. I.e it's purely subjective.

    Meaningless twaddle: boiling an egg takes exactly the same actual time regardless of who's doing it.

    Again you're appealing to subjective perception.

    Any website that starts with the words "I believe an enormous and powerful spiritual event is occurring at this time." doesn't exactly recommend itself as scientific or worth of any serious study.
    I.e. it's a piece of specious new age bullshit.
     
  9. John99 Banned Banned

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    look you are thinking in practical\linear terms. think back (remember- i said think back but we all know you cannot think back, you can only remember) to when you were a child. did time not pass slower?
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, I'm simply thinking.

    No it didn't.
    It seemed to but it didn't really.
    The end of the year arrived at exactly the same time for me as it did for my parent and grandparents who were much older.
    Which should give you some indication that time does pass at different rates for different ages.
     
  11. John99 Banned Banned

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    just like daylight savings time is manipulated?

    if we can just change the time like that then we can also adjust it in terms of human time. a one year old is actually six months old to them but to someone older they are a year old and to someone older still they are two years old. because that is how the perceive it to be.
     
  12. John99 Banned Banned

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    does anyone agree with me even in the slightest? surely i am not the only one aware of this.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Strawman.
    All we do there is switch the NAME of the hour.
    It doesn't affect the passage or the measurement of time.

    But we don't "change time" at all.

    Sheer utter unsupportable (and unsupported) nonsense.
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Unlikely.


    You're not, there have been threads about it - it's the perception that alters, not time itself.
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    ok. just wanted to say: what is the difference?
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    A perception is an individual's take on things, it's purely subjective and usually totally unverifiable.
    E.g. is a noise loud or not?
    Oh wait, you'll tell me noises get louder as you get older too, rock music is MUCH too loud these days and it's annoying. On the other hand people talk so much more quietly than they used to when you were young and you keep having to tell them to speak up.
    A perception is not a fact (except for the fact of the perception itself) and is not reality.
     
  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    noise is real. time is more complex. just like when people ask ;if a tree falls in the woods does it make a noise?' the answer is OF COURSE it does.

    another good one is when people believe that the journey to is longer, some times much longer, than the journey back. somehow i think this is related but only slightly, although it is still time related.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't alter the fact that it's perception.

    It is related: it's a perception not a reality.
     
  19. Evolon73 Registered Member

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    I know you guys like arguing semantics but instead of debating the reply to my question can someone try to answer my question please?
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Not quite, it's a case of the further away they are the faster they're moving relative to us.
    Not to any "fixed point".

    Pfft semantics? Hardly.
    But arguing is fun.

    Edit: this might help. I know what I mean, but putting it down in writing is harder than I thought.

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  21. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    what a cool question.

    think about it ! if it is an explosion then it is circular /orbital and we will have a complete opposite which means on the other side of the universe is likely to be a complete mirror of our planet.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all.
    It doesn't mean, or even imply, anything like that.
    And it's already been pointed out that the "explosion" doesn't have to be spherical (circular? orbital?

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    If the Shape of the Universe is a rotating Toroid, then wouldn’t the hole in the middle of the donut be the center?

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