Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by S.A.M., Sep 14, 2008.
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Ah Yaqub is Israel in Hebrew? Thats interesting.
Really? I rarely hear anyone say Iz-rail either. Maybe its just where I'm from in the US, but most of the people here including myself say Is-real.
It seems very odd to say is-real.
It seems even odder to say Is-rail.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Maybe rail some how transformed to real because of the lazy speech that people in the western united states posses? I don't know. I've just heard that Westerners had lazy speech, even more so than other Americans, but I've never gone around comparing.
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In the UK we pronounce it as 'Is-rail' (rail as in railway), as Steve was saying.
Americans say Is-real.
Pronounced Is-raa-eel by Arabs. The English speaking Israeli politicians, from what I've heard pronounce it as Is-real.
I gave the answer here: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2008852&postcount=8
What's the debate?
Yakov = Jacob.
Jacob was given the title Yisrael similar to how Abram was given the name Abraham. The gematria and the very words change meaning.
It goes much deeper what I have been reading, dont know about the pronounce things,
but --> Is-ra-el --> Is(is) - Ra - El
Iz - Reel
Most people around here (CA) pronounce it "iz-ree-ull" kinda like that
Too much :m::m: ehh?
That's great bloomoose. Except...
"Yis" not "Is"
"Wa" not "ra"
"Ayil" not "el"
So other than all three components of your bogus theory being wrong, that you most likely got from Esoteric Agenda...you were basically right. :crazy:
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South Africans pronounce the word kinda like "Is-ray-el" ...but the ray-el come very quickly after each other, so it can often sound like "iz-rayel"
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This is incorrect. Judaism is the oldest of the three Abrahamic religions, from which the others are more-or-less descended. It established the fundamental mythology upon which they are all based, including monotheism and the status of Abraham as a patriarch and Moses as a prophet.
Zionism, on the other hand, is a modern, largely secular political movement. The Wikipedia article is accurate:
Note that the article acknowledges and briefly explores the ancient roots of the movement. However, as it says, for all practical purposes Zionism is a modern movement and not an especially religious one. Few modern people, even those who argue over Zionism as a political issue, regardless of their position on it, are more than dimly aware of that history. After WWII Zionism became identified exclusively as a response to the Holocaust by almost everyone except historians, Jewish scholars, and the unfortunate Muslims whose land was appropriated by the British to create the state of Israel because the Europeans were willing to do anything to atone for a thousand years of antisemitism... except let the Jews return to live among them again. [Hey I'm the Moderator so I get to make political comments.]
that is a misconception, the british didnt give the jews a land that belonged to the muslism. they have actually supported the muslims, and they have hide the fact that the majority of the muslism were immigrants themselves. that being said, the land in question didnt belonged to anyone. as much as they claim it to be, they did not establish here anything in a span of more then a 1000 years.
it is evident from the fact that they do not have any traditions regarding the land. until this day, other then claiming the jews stole our land, they have nothing spiritual to offer in favor of that land. there are only two things that tie them to isarel, one is the al qasa mosque, the other is hatred towered jews.
as for zionism, its not exactly secular. its roots and influence comes from judaisim, it is more of a clever way to adapt judaisim to the spirit of the time using nationalistic sentiments.
it is important to note that the remaining survivors of WWII were destined to be shipped to russia. for werent for israel and zionism and the US who knows what their faith would be.
Actually, although I voted for the second, it isn't "Iss" it's "Ss-raa-eel". You begin on the S, in Arabic at least.
Separate names with a comma.