Not really. I've only used a couple. And they still stand. Because visual cues are a primary identifier. That does not mean they are the only one we'd use were ocular identification not available. What else is it about? You either like something, you're ambivalent, or you don't. Aesthetics do not rely upon vision alone. And... a gardener, for the third time, is not only basing his decisions upion aesthetics. It is his goal to make something aesthetically pleasing, but it isn't simply about choosing only what you like. There are many factors to take into consideration. Climate. Soil. Insects, resistance to disease. Non-visual factors. Clear? You step into my line of sight, then you're mkaing yourself a focus. Would you rather I ignored you? All I did was make a comment that I hadn't understood what you were saying until I realised you missed the reference. If you would like to take that as being an insult, then perhaps that speaks more about your attitude toward me than mine toward you. Yes?