Is Parkinsons' and Tetanus the same?

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  1. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    Very interesting behavior.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    indeed
    you need to be able to pick out the bias and intent to dig into the real science underneath
    because the bulk of media is delivered not from scientists, but from people with vested interest in co-dependency as a behaviour model

    that co-dependency is intrinsic to the ownership of knowledge to maintain control of money & power

    such is the way of the world

    if you want the science, you need to be able to throw all the rubbish away and focus on just the science.
    however, in many cultures overt moral control dogma is applied to filter facts and manipulate outcomes


    • how many people as a population statistic get the tetanus vaccine ?
    • how many get the booster ?
    • how many get parkinsons ?
    • what is the parkinsons average population distribution ?
    • what is tetanus vaccine distribution ?
    • which populations share parkinsons but have no vaccine ?
    • which populations share vaccine rates and booster rates
    you cant rely on some greedy psychos bent to give them money or followers

    if you wait long enough i will do all the work for you
    because i am now interested to see how much propaganda and false science is being manipulated in this general area of science if any
     
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  5. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    Other than your bullet points I have no idea what you are talking about rainbow. I do not have cable nor the Internet in my home.

    Your bullet points, while not complete, address my question even if it does not answer my question.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    glad to hear i have been helpful

    your workplace exposure to heavy metal fumes over many years is many times more likely to create neurological degenerative disease & cancer as a statistical probability

    note
    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/parkinsons-disease/causes/
    dopamine

    question
    viral dopamine inhibition disruption occurrence


    dopamine is created by combination things
    foods, brain chemicals body conditions
    neurological responses
    etc

    how the dopamine interacts is a different aspect

    just so you understand the sheer complexity of it
    lets say for instance
    puritan American genetics tends towards lower dopamine production as a more easily controlled social member
    breeding goes with that to kill off high dopamine genetics

    add heavy social compliance breeding dynamics and add on top limited exposure to risk taking when wars have been initiated to engage the high risk members of society

    over all you have a condition brought on inclusive of social engineering to breed low dopamine production combined with a easily activated dopamine action
    food addictions drugs etc
    note USA addiction issues around opiates etc



    • some cultures may have selective breeding toward dopamine dysfunction resulting in a higher instance of parkinsons
    • any incidence of frequency must be proven to exist outside any selective breeding or genetic predisposition to give indicators of induced states via external causality
     
  8. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    No. They are entirely different pathologies with different mechanisms of action. The tremors of PD are a neurodegenerative dopamine neurotransmitter-based neuropathology, whereas the tetanic spasms caused by tetanus toxin are an acute transient GABA and glycine neurotransmitter-based pathology.
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you may be wasting your time
    the TO displays obvious signs of borderline narcissism with sociopath behavior
    my primary question is what type of psychological reality is driving the TO.

    typical try hard psychological power tripper borderline sociopath corporate mind games BS
    response
    i didn't get anything right
    the parts that seem clear to anyone reading, are not totally correct so have been invalidated
    and i have not answered the over all question
    & they cant gather any information on their own so never need to be cross examined and can just sit back and judge others without needing to justify or validate their own beliefs.

    all couched in a corporate empathic disassociation to sanction abuse of power & authority.

    so your dealing with either a try hard professional anti-vaxxer troll
    or someone who thinks being a troll is a valid social liberal right
    or an old worldy 1920's type personality marred with hard core disassociation disorders & driven by animist power iconography to self justify their lack of emotional connection to the feelings of other living things(the behavioral narcissist versus the psychopath)

    aka I AM IN CONTROL and dont care about anything
    you cant touch my inner feelings !

    no manners
    doesn't say thank you
    needs to reinforce the narcissistic personality model(power trip reinforcer)
    cant say thank you

    what they think they have done is played me into making bullet points they can skim read while not reading my entire post
    and they think they are being really clever.

    im leaning toward an anti-vaxer coated in empathy lacking liberal
    but they are scrambling because i called their game early on in their
    attempt to back wind an anti-vaxer conspiracy theme around tetanus vaccinations via booster shot data
     
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  10. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    Have your bullet points been researched? If so could you leave a link? If not then how can you say these are NOT related? What science is at your back if your bullet points have not been researched?
     
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  11. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    I understand tetanus is caused by a common bacteria that we have a vaccine for, this vaccine requires booster shots. I know most people do not get the boosters. In my line of work many old timers get these other neurological problems. Nobody knows what causes them yet the symptoms are similar to tetanus.

    I do not expect an answer here. I am just wondering out loud. Could skipping a booster shot for tetanus lead to these other common neurological problems? Has anyone tested this hypnosis? If so could you share thier findings?
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The Null Hypothesis. Things are not related until/unless they're related.

    There's no evidence to suggest a relation.

    Similar superficial symptoms do not constitute evidence of relation.

    (If they did, you might as well go looking for a causal relationship between shingles and burning your hand on a stovetop because they both sting like the dickens.)
     
  13. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    We know today that shingles are caused by the antibodies of chickenpox. We would not know that today if nobody studied this.

    The only similarity between the two is that they both cause skin lesions.
     
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. We study things for which there is evidence.

    To study things for which there is no evidence is generally called pseudoscience.
     
  15. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    I see you are trying to change the subject but I will take the bait.

    What evidence was there that the antibodies for chickenpox causes shingles?
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not trying to change the subject.

    See Rockefeller's post #25. It is the nail in the coffin.

    Not only is there no evidence for a connection but it is nonsensical to wonder how there might be. Akin to my example of two ailments that both cause a burning sensation have absolutely no rationale for thinking they're related. (One is a virus, one is a kitchen appliance).


    Anyway, you've asked your question. The answer is: No one is researching this. No one sees any reason to. Where do you go from here?
     
  17. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    So the antibodies for tenants could not be the cause of Parkinson because you say so? That sounds scientific to me (sarcasm). Thank you forum for letting me say my peace. Your members have their own agenda.
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    are they x Vietnam soldiers who were soaked in DDT agent orange ?
    did they serve in Iraq & get exposed to depleted uranium ammunition ?
    did they use DDT to spray their farm and allow other pesticides and herbicides to soak into their skin for decades while eating terrible diets ?

    what does long term skin saturation by petroleum do to the nervous system and immune system ?


    your precise question can only be answered by someone who costs around $150,000 per year to employ
    and requires a laboratory costing several million
    and then funding of around $5,000 per week for a year or so
    o

    and you want it for free ?

    you need to do a bit of your own research
    and show you have the capacity to comprehend basic discussion around the subject
     
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  19. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    No, it’s very unlikely.

    PD is a neurodegenerative disease of the central nervous system. It occurs when the neuronal architecture in certain regions of the brain start to degenerate.

    Antibodies are large proteins and typically do not cross the blood brain barrier from the blood into the brain. There are some exceptions; antibodies can enter the brain via a process known as receptor mediated transport. But this typically not the case for antibodies generated in response to a vaccination. Thus, anti-tetanus toxin antibodies generated after vaccination exert their effect in the peripheral nervous systems.

    Interestingly, I found this paper that describes an effort to generate anti-tetanus toxin antibodies that can enter the CNS:

    “Tetanus neurotoxin reaches the CNS by axonal retrograde transport and thus becomes inaccessible to current treatments. A possible strategy to improve current therapy for tetanus disease would be the vectorization of Fab'2 fragments, allowing their delivery into the CNS.”

    Transport of cationized anti-tetanus Fab'2 fragments across an in vitro blood-brain barrier model: involvement of the transcytosis pathway
    Girod et al. J Neurochem 1999 Nov;73(5):2002-8.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10537059/

    Bear in mind that Fab2 antibody fragments are an artificially generated type of antibody; these are different to the natural antibodies made by our immune systems.
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Not because we 'say so'; because 'reasons explained'. What more did you expect by asking a question on a (former) science forum?

    We are not the authority. You don't have to be satisfied with our answers.

    What is unscientific about "there's no metabolic relationship between these two things"?

    "Shingles burns and stovetop burns are unrelated" is just as scientific.


    Indeed. And you have wondered out loud. And we could not provide you with the confirmation you're hoping for. I'm not sure what you want us to do about that.

    I'm also not sure why you're getting snippy about it, like we owe you more. Your reaction is bizarre.


    That's right. We're hiding the answer from you. We all have the published papers you seek on our desks, but we'd rather make some perfect stranger squirm.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    pure intellectual porn !(i love your descriptions & simplification for us dummies, its first class)
    makes reading your replys a pleasure.

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    off hand
    is there any hint of potential for SARSCoV-2 to be capable of crossing the blood brain barrier ?(im thinking worst case zombie apocalypse[curiosity])
     
  22. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    Yes, unfortunately, lots of evidence that it can cross the BBB. That is theorized to be the reason behind the severe breathing difficulties and need for positive pressure ventilation that occurs in severe cases of COVID-19. The virus interferes with the breathing center of the brain.
     
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    so is this like a key that fits a lock
    so it has a key already
    and it can then, as new mutations evolve,
    possibly gain a chance to evolve something that interferes with other things like a breeding mutation(zika encephalitis etc) (something that would directly destabilize species breeding cycles)
     

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