Is Mohammad in Heaven or hell?

Is Mohammad in Heaven or hell?
And how can you tell?

Those questions are based on these questions:

1) is there forgiveness in islam?
2) is there truth in islam?
3) is allah knowable?
4) is allah a deceiver?
5) can muslims make mistakes in their understanding about allah?
6) can allah make mistakes in his understanding of the world?
7) can allah make mistakes in his understanding of the Bible?
8) is the quran infallable?
9) is the quran perfect?
10) is allah a pagan god?
11) was Mohammad assured of Heaven?
12) is there any assurance of going to heaven?

 

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1)2.199] Then hasten on from the Place from which the people hasten on and ask the forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful

2)[2.147] The truth is from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the doubters

3)9.115] It is not (attributable to) Allah that He should lead a people astray after He has guided them; He even makes clear to them what they should guard against; surely Allah knows all things

4)[2.147] The truth is from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the doubters

5) [112.3] He begets not, nor is He begotten.(a muslim has to know this)

6) [7.54] Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds

7)Allah makes no errors

8)[4.82] Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.(in other words its all good

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9) see 8

10). "If there were therein Gods besides Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) would have collapsed into disorder and chaos. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, transcendent beyond all they ascribe unto Him." (21:22)

11) [18.107] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, their place of entertainment shall be the gardens of paradise,


12) see 11




peace to you

 

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Ok, lets check some facts, & see if allah is not of the multi-errors

From:
http://www.submission.org/suras/sura20.htm

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria

From:
http://www.ancientties.com/Antika details/Antika Samaria.htm

From:
http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/h/hi/history_of_ancient_israel_and_judah.html

 

Randolpho,
Ok im confused....are you asking me to believe an encyclopedia (which has "facts" that are rediscovered and is constantly being updated) over the Koran or are you saying that before Samaria(also known as Shomron which has a earlier history) was"discovered" there wasnt anyone living there or from there? You see if given the choice I would choose to believe to believe the Koran because it has remained the same for 1400 years can you say the same about your encyclopedia sources?.......peace to you

 

Thing is if other things had remained the same they'd be even more out of date now, such as an encyclopedia would say the world is flat and earth is the centre of the solar system, im inclined to believe a book that corrects its mistakes than one which would ignore them.

 

Lemming3k,
Sup man........thats my point the Koran doesnt make such claims as the Earth being flat(which everyone believed in those days) but as far as when civilizations were discovered and such their are CONSTANT updates in encylopedias and such because new evidence is being found out. That is why i wouldnt say the Koran makes a mistake. would you think that was impossible that archeologists(sp?) discover that those civilzations were actually older than they originally thought?(they are after all hypothesis)it happens all the time dude

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....peace to you

 

btw, bro:

The site that Randolfo is referring to as Samaria was populated occasionally during the 4000 before Our prophet Jesus -peace be upon him -.

Subhaana LLah.

Wa 3alayks SSalaam

 

Not yet. Heaven or Hell happen in the future.

Just guessing, that's the best anyone can do.

Not much, but some.

None

No.

No, decieving is a human trait.

Do they? maybe. Are they allowed? Somewhat.

No.

What is a mistake?

No.

Its horribly flawed, in the sense that it goes against the grain of human nature.

Unfortunately not.

No more than anyone else.

You personally? No. The human race? I think there is reason to hope so.

 

I havnt read it so i cant comment, does the book actually say the world is round though? Even though it doesnt say its flat does it make a statement on the subject at all? I would never say something doesnt make a mistake, though encyclopedias are factual and are considered updated in light of new facts, im not aware of anything in them thats been changed, changed back, changed again etc, perhaps im mistaken. If these changes are made i would imagine they dont happen frequently on the same subject, whereas books such as the koran may be considered out of date in places(depending of course on its content).

 

I only used the "flat world theory as an example but yes there are other miracles in the Koran which took centuries for people to realize such as an explanation of the big bang theory(islam doesnt discount it)....



Then he turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke (dukhaan): He said to it and to the earth: come you together, willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come (together) in willing obedience. (Qur'aan 41:11).

Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? [Al-Quraan 21:30]






and also space travel...........

O assembly of Men and Jinns! If you have opower to pass through the zones of the Heavens and Earth - then pass! But you will never be able to pass them except with authority (from Allah) (55:33)


or how about the earth and planets revolving around the sun..........


It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course. [Al-Quraan 21:33]



there are many many others also....peace to you

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I'll say, my screen name is "Randolfo", it keeps me 'Mexican' enough, as opposed to the pseudo-greek english version with the "ph", but just for you, you can call me, "Ay auygi;shfow443", I'm sure that's more easy to spell

ah, yeah! better than a book that has unproven so-called 'facts', ah, how many joints in a human body again?

That could be, but I just spent time looking for an earlier reference to "Shomron" than the first hebrew state, couldn't find, could you find one & be so kind as to post the URL? thanks

sorry, it had at least 3 versions up until calif Uthman's 4th

 

Surrender. The link Randolfo gave before stated that the city Samaria was built at 880 B.C. But the link also says that the site was inhabited in the 4000 B.C. That means that if that is the Samaria that is Meant by the Creator than there is no contradiction.

On another note. You are right the Qur'an above anything else!

May Peace be onto you Brother.

 

surrender, don't listen to your brain-washed brother, I don't know what book he was reading, but check this out:
from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria

here's a logic question:
if a hilltop is bought for 2 talents of silver, then a new city is built for a new capitol for Omri, King of Israel, then named after its previous owner, whom Omri just paid, how old would the city be at the time Omri named it "Shomrom"?
would it be:

zero, just built, brand-spanking new?
4 years old?
1,000 years old?
2,000 years old?
how old?

also, if the city was named "Shomron" after the previous owner named Shemer, how long could that hilltop have had his name?
zero, it was just a hilltop?
20 years, Shemer named everything after himself, so when he bought the land, well everthing got his name
1,000 years, Shermer inherited the land from his father Shermer, who got it from his father Shermer, etc...

any answers?

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Surrender,

the link:

There it says.

Samaria is an ancient town located on a hill northwest of Nabulus (Shechem) in the West Bank territory under Israeli administration since 1967. Excavations in the 1930's revealed that the site had been occupied occasionally during the late 4th millennium BCE. The city was not founded until about 880 BCE, when Omri made it the new capital of the northern Hebrew kingdom of Israel and named it Samaria. Although the northern kingdom was often stronger than Judah to the south and enjoyed greater economic development, it was crushed by Assyria in 722, and much of its population was carried into captivity. It remained the capital until its destruction by the Assyrians in 722.

If I say, as some do, that humanity originated from africa, even though africa at the time wasn't called africa my statement would still be correct.

Peace be unto you, Brother.

 

now who's weak?
now tell us again what you are trying to prove? oh, yes, that Samarians existed in Moses' time as the quran says. hmm, I'm still waiting

 

That since the Qur'an discribes it for us, those that came later. It suffices to tell us where the Samarian came from. So even though Samaria was not called that by his time. The name is enough to know where the man came from.

Think the example of Africa over you will eventually understand.

:m:

 

You seem to supposing that Mohammad will be answering to Paul as to whether or not he goes to Heaven. All your tacit assumptions are based on the Doctrines of Paul.

Now you should wonder who is likely to be more correct about Theology... Paul or Mohommet? Paul started out as a murderer setting out to destroy the Jewish Christian Church. He ended by destroying the Jewish Christian Church with the Gentile Faction that he set against it. There really seems to have been too much malice in that man to believe that his Religious vision could be in anyway real. So let us look at Mohomad. He started out by teaching the Arabs not to be idol worshippers, to be Brothers, and to submit totally to God. Yes, he authorized military resistance to his enemies, but we should not blame him more for eventually surrendering to them... afterall, Mohommad made peace on the condition that Muslims for ever after would idolize Mecca and pray to a rock -- the very things he fought against. Rather than being a martyr and allowing his followers to be martyrs, he surrendered not to God but to the demands of idolators. But we would blame him is he had continued to fight. It would be damned if if he did, and damned if he didn't. Christians might aver that Mohommet should have let himself be crucified like Christ... but we saw how that worked out. An enemy of his Church, Paul, was able to hijack the whole business. Mohommet was able, by surrendering to the idolators, to stay on the scene long enough to emphasize other worthwhile doctrines. Christ's quick defeat in death only assured that his enemies would destroy all His writings. At least Mohommet is represented by his own writings. Christ comes to us by the writings of his persecutor and enemies.

 

Dang Leo you had me in your corner untill the end

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... I do agree that muslims pray towards Mecca but the Kabla(or rock as you say) is more of a beacon that all muslims face as a sign of unity....no one prays TO the "rock" No muslim prayers say worship the rock and Islam is all about unity and assosciating nothing to God unlike the trinity dogma of christanity I find it hard for anyone to believe that the Prophet(pbuh) surrendered to the idlators when he defeated them and the Koran that was reveled to him was very specific about what would happen to "pagans" and polytheists.....peace to you

 

grasping at straws, as your hands slip from sure holdings?