Is midnight today or tomorrow?

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  1. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    That's saying that we're all etheral! (not true of course)

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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    Is that so? Just look at how long life exists in relationship to the age of the universe...a speck of sand on the ocean floor is more than time of life in universal time.
     
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  5. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    What life are you talking about?
    My life?
    Your life?
    Everyones life?
    The planets life?
    What life?

    Life exists as long as it exists. The ocean and a speck of sand is irrelevant compared to the time we sit watching time go by.

    You are in reverse draqon. Spin around or something. And tell me again.
     
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  7. draqon Banned Banned

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    There can only be one life, a concept of everything that is alive.
     
  8. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    One life is not all life draqon

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  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    what if it is...? :bugeye: What if all life that ever existed, exists, and will exist is part of one unified concept? What if this is the God we have been after all this time? The God that is within everything alive, that defines life itself.
     
  10. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    That is impossible draqon. Let me spin you around for you:

    What if all life that exists, and existed, and will keep existing, is part of some concept? What if this is the God we've been wanting to find? The God that is here on earth, that defines life? What if?
     
  11. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    dont run away draq

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    face it yo. answer me straight on.
     
  12. draqon Banned Banned

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    no I do not think life is limited to Earth. God would be in everything that is alive.
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    What about life !? :bugeye:
    Isn't this thread about midnight being either tomorrow or today ? I could be mistaken though..
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    If there's any chance of confusion, it is usual to specify a time like 11:59 pm or 12:01 am with the date, rather than 12 midnight. If you need more accuracy, try 12:00:01 am or similar.
     
  15. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    Asquard has the best answer (thanks!) and I think that there's a general concensus that it's tomorrow. -- but cinderella ....
     
  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I have 7 boards, laid end to end. They're each 24 inches long. The end of each board thus is a point I mark as 24 inches. The middle of each is a point I mark as 12 inches. The middles of the halves are points I mark as 6 inches & 18 inches. Each mark represents a point. Each point is the end of a measurement. The 6 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 1st 6 inches. The 18 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 18 inches. The end of each board is a point which is the end of 24 inches. The end of each board is not a foot, an inch, half inch or quarter inch. It is a point. The beginning of each board is a point. Not a foot or inch or quarter inch. I can't see or measure points so for practical purposes, I mark quarter inch points on the boards & call the 1st part of each board the 1st quarter inch. But I'm not satisfied with this so I mark 16th inch points & call the 1st part of each board the the 1st 16th inch. I want even smaller increments marked but it just isn't practical.
    For each board to be 24 inches long, the length naturally must reach & include the 24 inch point. Without the 24 inch point, it is not 24 inches. Each board begins with a point I can't see or measure so I say it begins with the 1st 16th inch.
    Midnight, whether called 12:00 (ridiculous) or 24:00, is the end point of each day. The next point in time is the beginning of the next day. That point can't be measured so we call the 1st part of the next day the 1st second which should be written 00:00:01.
     
  17. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    Is this a science forum? Or a science fiction forum?
     
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Midnight, whether called 12:00 (ridiculous) or 24:00, is the end point of each day. For each day to be 24 hours, it must naturally reach & include the 24 hour point. The next point in time is the beginning of the next day. That point can't be measured so we call the 1st part of the next day the 1st second which should be written 00:00:01.
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    We shouldn't even be fooling with 12 hour time mode any more but :
    All authorities seem to think noon is 12pm & midnight is 12am. I'm guessing because noon is followed by 12:01pm & midnight is followed by 12:01 am (tho it should be 00:01am even in 12 hour mode).
    11:59pm is the end of the 59th minute of the 12th hour(pm). 12:00midnight is the end of the 60th minute of the 12th hour(pm). Midnight is 12:00pm.
    11:59am is the end of the 59th minute of the 12th hour(am). 12:00noon is the end of the 60th minute of the 12th hour(am). Noon is 12:00am.
    Of course, 24 hour mode is much simpler & clearer.
     
  20. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    As per ISO8601:2000(E) http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-core/200104/pdf00005.pdf

     
  21. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    That settles it then. The ISO standard says midnight is tomorrow.

    Sort of. You are including the 0th point. That means the 24th inch point actually begins what you numbered as "23". That means you have to include the entire interval [23,24). If you include point 24, then you've included an inch plus 1 point. You basically have a fencepost problem on your hands.
     
  22. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    The Standard says that it is a point in time that can be represented as EITHER:

    A) 00:00:00 Tomorrow

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    B) 24:00:00 Today


    But conventionally, 24 hrs is represented by numbers 0-23 and in all digital clocks, 00:00 follows right after 23:59. - so A) is used
     
  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    That is ridiculous. Some goofball in a position of authority has decided something which makes no sense.
    There is no 0:00 point. The end of 1 day is not the same point as the beginning of another day.

    That does not settle it. The ISO standard is WRONG.

    There is no 0:00 point.
    The 24th inch point actually begins what you numbered as "23"????????????? Are you half asleep?

    I know what is predominantly used. It's WRONG. It's ILLOGICAL. It's SILLY.
     

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