I was not questioning your reply. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! A lot. An outsider / a beginner per definition is not yet able to discern the truth of the statements made in the spiritual literature and by the members of said religion. So the outsider / beginner cannot but rely on the members, if he is ever to make progress. Just like any student relies on his teachers. I don't think there is anything wrong with that dynamic. But what about the situation when the members have betrayed the beginner's trust, or when the members show little or no interest in the beginner, but the beginner still has some trust in the literature? What about the situation when the relationship between the beginner and the members is one of coldness, indifference, or even hostility?