Is Homosexuality psycological or biological?

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  1. koolmodee I'm alive! Registered Senior Member

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    Well you really know how to change the topic ....kinda killed the converstaion.
     
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  3. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    Please don't assume the topic was killed. The point I was trying to make was that the biology may create the psychology (tendencies, preferences, attractions, etc.). I'm not claiming to be an expert in this as I am a mature heterosexual woman. I've had many gay associates of alternative genders in my life both in and outside my immediate family. I have learned a lot from them. Although I don't understand the their specific attractions, I firmly believe it has to be biologically onset. When they accepted themselves as they are, and I accepted them for who they are and not what their sexual preferences were, the psychological aspect became one at peace with themselves and their worlds. I love them no matter if their eyes are brown or blue, or their hair is purple or green. Who am I to reject someone different than me? They contain the spirit of God just like all humans beings do. It's unfortunate that most religious organizations of Xianity still figuratively 'burns them at the stake,' when they are really more advanced spiritually than the rest of us. In a nutshell, it's biological.
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    He was talking about your be-littling of Ultra-sound, please provide some proof and evidence that damage has been done. Also consider how often ultra-sound saves lives.
     
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  7. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    Ultrasound

    Sorry I got the topics mixed up. The literature on prenatal ultrasound can be found on the Internet. I have gleaned it from there, but I don't have copies, etc. As a person who has utilized prenatal ultrasound clinically, it is a useful tool for the healthcare providers. Ultrasound scans of other areas is a very important diagnostic tool. My only problem with ultrasound is that it can damage the fetal brain. Since the advent of ultrasound in about 1970 and its common use prenatally at about 1980, is it any wonder why so many children today have ADD and ADHD, speech and hearing problems leading to 'learning disabilities,' and Ritalin and Adderal are prescribed like candy? Defects may not be so obvious even to the trained eye. The problems may come later and affect the child for the rest of his/her life. I attended a conference recently on children with birth defects, and one session was presented on prenatal ultrasound. They showed slides of MRIs of infants and young children where the brain showed lesions that looked like blisters. Later on, these same children ended up with ADD or ADHD, speech defects, learning disabilities, or a wide-range of mental retardation AND other physical defects. If you're looking for cancer, that's one thing; but, if you're a normal, healthy pregnant woman who is just curious to see what the sex is of your baby, or get a print-out of an ultrasound picture, I'd recommend waiting to hear his first cry rather than expose him in utero to an environmental biohazard.

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  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    anything can be found on the internet, give me links please.
     
  9. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    Links on ultrasound

    I'm at work right now, so you won't hear from me with the links for a while. There are medical articles that can be found in PubMed or MEDLINE on the subject, but these are written by physicians who base their research on what is convenient for them. I'll find some resources later and let you know.
     
  10. koolmodee I'm alive! Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Ultrasound

    Sure you may be right in that occassionally an ultrasound may cause harm. And sure there is alot of kids with ADD and stuff but there's also many many more people around who have no effect from recieving an ultasound while in the womb. And there's many theories out right now about the causes of ADD; diet, environment.... and there's no reason for me to believe your theory more than anyone else's. Well not until you provide solid evidence anyway.

    And this still has nothing to do with the cause of homosexuality. Unless you're saying that homosexuality is the result of the brain being fried during an ultrasound....
    ....and if you are; then that's a prety big assumption.
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    iggit,

    Don't trust books published online, nothing there was referenced from psychological reports and studies, and personally his explanations seem very vague a dubious to me. Even so my hate for conservative media programs has increased

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  12. iggit Registered Member

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    1: I don't either.

    2: It helps to comprehend when reading and it also helps to read the chapters in the book before that one.

    3: No reference is made to psychological reports and studies because they are wrong and simply quackery.

    4: Don't hate something you disagree with. Understand it so you can deal with it instead of it dealing with you, which is what the result of hating does.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    iggit,

    on every thread you go on you advice them to that little site of yours, your a spammer.

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    excuse me science happens to not be a quackery, repeated test and experiments show results, you do not.

    My hate for conservative media is base off their use of fallacy like the example provided in that little link of yours, they proclaim their right at the expense of critical reasoning! but hate is besides the point: the question of this thread is "Is Homosexuality psychological or biological?"
     
  14. iggit Registered Member

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    Your hate issue is your own problem.

    Your anger over the topic is your own problem.

    You assertion that adding a link to a response is spam is ridiculous and based in your hate issue.

    If you think all science is right then you are a believer in the modern church of illusions and that is indeed your problem.

    None of which is my problem.

    Get over it, move on.
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Your constant use of hate as the issue is your own fallacy (a Red Herring to be more exact) it has no relation to this thread. I purposely pestered you into doing so though because you seem like the kind of person to side track the issue, all I had to do was add the words hate into my posts a couple of times and see what happened: I am happy to be proven correct.

    I don't believe all science is right, science though the only neutral strategy to attain knowledge and truth. You have to place proof and evidence before I will believe you, that’s science.

    Adding the same link to every thread you go on is spamming, you want me to prove it? http://www.sciforums.com/search.php...d=199229&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending I literally can not find one exception, that’s science! I advice others to help me search though, until everything been counted and recounted I will give you the benefit of the doubt and that you must have at lest replayed to a thread at least once with out having to resort to that site of yours?
     
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  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I have been the one try to get us back onto topic, please explain how homosexuality is psychological or biological without resorting to how to deal with hating homosexuals and without criticizing me personally, and most of all defend your link on my claim that it does not provide proper evidence for this thread.

    nope it quite will proven now, there is no thread you have not use the link on! EI_Sparks confirms it that you do have post without the link but you have not been on a thread with you spaming that link on it at least once. I claim your link does not provide any ligitament evidence on this thread mentioning that’s its vague, dubious and un-referenced.

    I have provide quite a lot of evidence to this thread, why don't you read it, I have also posted links to my cause.

    Now if you don't mind I have a life to get to.
     
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  18. Elly5146 Registered Member

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    Homosexuality is not a choice. It is something you are born with. If you can answer why you like the opposite sex, really answer it with something more than "I just do" or "cause it's 'normal'" then maybe we'll talk. Often it would be so much easier to be straight for homosexual people. Think about it, if you had a choice to live a life that 1/2 the people around you (sometimes including your own family) thought was vile and abhorrent, or to be accepted by all, which would you choose. To answer someone's question about their friends dad leaving his wife after years of seemingly happy marriage: Society puts huge pressure on all of us to "fit in" with social ideals. To be thin, and attractive, and intelligent, and accomplished, and the ideal of perfection or somehting close to it is shoved in our faces EVERY day. Magazine adds, television commercials, or friends, and families tell us what we should be. The same is true for sexual preference. There are pictures, laws, and numerous daily imiges bombarding us with heterosexual standards. You are taught at a very young age what to like, dislike, believe, not believe,and what is appropriate or not appropriate by everyone and everything around you for years. After this has carefully and effectively been programed we are told to now "think for ourselves". Most people crave acceptance so they try to "conform" to the "normal" standard. Eventually, hopefully without too much heartache, and hopefully before it is too late people figure out who they are. Sometimes this means that they are peppy, happy people, for some they are cynical, pessimistic people. And some are homosexual, and some are heterosexual. It all has to do with breaking the resrictive bonds of societal pressures and discovering (hopefully sooner rather that later) what YOU as an individual really want.

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  19. Elly5146 Registered Member

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    Sorry to keep commenting on past posts, but I just discovered this site, and have been reading through and finding various things I feel the need to respond to. Medecine woman stated that while on the pill there are no "menses". First of all lets just call it menstruation. Not only do I feel we are all adults and can call things by the real name, but the term "menses" does not only apply to menstruation. Secondly, you do menstruate while on the pill. The cycle works so that you take 3-4 weeks of pills and then stop taking them, or take a placebo during the 4/5 week. This is when menstruation occurs and after it is finished you begin a new batch of pills. Also, my family works in the medical field and my Aunt is an OBGYN. I have never heard of an ultrasound causing any significant or noteable damage to a fetus. For someone who claims to be trained in a form of medicinal care, you seem to have some interesting viewpoints.
     
  20. Elly5146 Registered Member

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    By the way, how do you attach a quote from a previous post to a reply so it is clear exactly what or who you are responding to?
     
  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    try {
     
  22. VernalEq Registered Member

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    The causes of homosexuality are clearly much more than meets the eye. In terms of a biological/scientific explanation, well, there has been no evidence whatsoever apart from blatant speculation. Twin studies have directly contradicted any theory of a genetic basis for homosexuality. First, these studies are based on emotional characteristics that can be, or, I would dare to assert, have to be influenced by the external environment. If one twin is bald, then the other should be bald to some degree. If one twin is tall, then I should expect the other twin to be tall. These are physical, not emotional, characteristics that can be applied empirically to DNA makeup. Homosexuality cannot. To say that it is natural is a contradiction in itself since nature has failed to find a way for two males or females to procreate. Whether one agrees with this or not, sexual organs where developed for the benefits of BOTH pleasure and procreation, not just the former. I lived out the lifestyle as a gay man for a long time until reality knocked at my door and showed me himself...reality. What was I doing? I was seeking out ways to fill a void in my life that, yes, began as a child. For that reason, I used to say, "I was born gay," or, "I have felt this way since puberty." Well, of course! I had been incessantly seeking out a replacement for my emotionally absent father, even before puberty. However, that search was not eroticized until I reached an age where I was interested in sex, at puberty! I will step out on a limb and say that this is generally the case for EVERY homosexual. The normal sexual orientation for the opposite sex has been oriented in the reverse with (unconscious) hopes of filling our respective emotional voids, which in MY case was my father. Later, with the onset of sexual maturation and desire, that search morphed into a twisted act of seeking out sexual and emotional gratification. Sadly, what one finds, however, is that these voids can't be filled with others, sexually or relationally. It becomes a never-ending quest for satisfaction leading to obsession, and depression. We can ONLY find what we seek in GOD. He knows the plans he has for each one of us. TRUST in HIM with all your heart and He will make your paths straight.
     
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