Is God Rational?

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  1. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    And what did he do about it? Except cause Jesus to suffer too? Not sure what that was supposed to prove. Walk on water but unable to remove a nail. And a carpenter at that.
     
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  3. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Even LOVE is fallen. Faith too. Hate masqurades as a virtue. The only hope is for Lucifer to return to Heaven right all along.
     
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  5. socratus Registered Member

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    Quantum physics uses Dirac's concept ''negative virtual particles''
    and nobody knows what they are,
    What if they are real physical irrational objects - particles ( 2πr )
    in Plato's view and their existence is independent of everything,
    like quantum of light is independent of its source ( Einstein's view )
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    1.2 The philosophical significance of mathematical platonism

    Mathematical platonism has considerable philosophical significance.
    If the view is true, it will put great pressure on the physicalist idea
    that reality is exhausted by the physical. For platonism entails that
    reality extends far beyond the physical world and includes objects
    which aren’t part of the causal and spatiotemporal order studied
    by the physical sciences.
    [1] Mathematical platonism, if true, will also put great pressure on many
    naturalistic theories of knowledge.
    For there is little doubt that we possess mathematical knowledge.
    The truth of mathematical platonism would therefore establish
    that we have knowledge of abstract (and thus causally inefficacious) objects.
    This would be an important discovery, which many naturalistic theories
    of knowledge would struggle to accommodate.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/
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  7. socratus Registered Member

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    God is not actually omnipotent,
    He must act according to Physical and Math Laws.
    Therefore an intelligent spirit must have physical
    and math marks.
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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So he can't exist outside of the I Universe even though he made it while he was outside of the Universe

    Makes perfect sense

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  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It makes no sense to call something "outside" of everything.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Explain that to the religious people who make that claim

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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure if I agree with that. From the link.
    IMO, that statement perfectly describes natural universal potentials (metaphysical values) and is the very reason why and how it is possible for us to observe the mathematical patterns emerging from apparent chaotic conditions.

    The universe uses unnamed "values and functions" which we are able to recognize and codify (give meaning to) into human symbolic representations of inherent universal physics and mathematics.

    This is the basis for Max Tegmark's hypothesis of a "mathematical universe".


    But it is also used by religions to justify the belief in an "intelligent agent" and "intelligent design". Of course, it's just universal mathematical functions, which to an observer appear to be intelligent (rational) functions, but are really only impersonal pseudo-intelligent mathematically rational functional processes of relative mathematical values.
     
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  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I have. I'm an atheist.
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    How would naturalistic theories not accommodate mathematical Platonism?
     
  14. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    My advice, follow where the evidence points and stick to your goals and values. If religion makes you a better and happier person then have faith. If being atheist or agnostic feels more comfortable and feels more honest then be one of those.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Tell that to Capracus. He seems very comfortable to be the Devil's Advocate. Are you going to defend morality, or are you leaving it to atheists to defeat evil?
     
  16. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    How do I defend morality?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    By condemning immorality such as killing other people in the name of God.
    That is not only immoral, it's delusional. The stuff of psychopaths......

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  18. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I believe that killing other people in the name of God is wrong. How can we know what God knows or wants, or if he even exists.
     
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  19. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I have often wondered if most, if not all, of the Bible what written by delusional and/or manipulative people.
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, and as theist, you have standing in the spiritual world. So please do tell that to Capracus, who delights in sowing chaos in the landscape of morality.
     
  21. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    If he is reading this and has said these things then I would like him to know that I believe murder, in the name of God or any form, is immoral because all life is sacred.
     
  22. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    In what post did he say this?
     
  23. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    All the scientific evidence I have collected over the years points to there being absolutely no God.

    The evidence shows that our planet is very small and therefore insignificant compared to the infinite size of the universe.

    What I mean is that we could be just a small species who is projecting our own mental idolatries onto this vast cosmos but nature doesn't recognize and is completely indifferent to our mental idolatries and religions.

    Also at the rate we are consuming this planet's resources we will run out of resources eventually and then many people are going to die and there is nothing we can do about it because this planet's resources are really in finite supply.

    In my opinion religion is bullshit nothing more. We are all going to die one day and there is nothing we can do about it.
     
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